You know, I honestly and earnestly don’t have a problem with fanfic writers writing about stuff they’ve never done or don’t have real life experience with. If I did, I’d be a hypocrite, seeing as how I neither have a dick nor have I done much interacting with dicks, but spend an awful lot of time writing about things that dicks are doing or having done to them. Knowing that I lack actual experience, however, I have taken some pains to research how they actually work.

That being said, nothing makes me nope out of a BDSM fic faster than discovering that it is written not only by someone who has clearly never been within ten miles of a scene, but someone who has some wild misconceptions about what the human body is capable of with respect to pain.

Brief summary of every BDSM fanfic by deeply inexperienced author. (Please note that Dean and Cas in this have probably both been active in the BDSM scene for years and are not newbies being introduced to it):

“I’m going to spank you ten times with my hand, Dean. I expect you to call red if you need to,” Cas tells him, a hint of steel in his order.

“Ten whole times?!” Dean whimpers, sure he won’t be able to make it through.

[seventeen seconds later]

Dean sobs wrenchingly at the unbearable pain of this severe spanking.

Actual scene:

“Your warm up is probably gonna be about a hundred but don’t bother counting because I’m just gonna go til I see the color that says your ready, and then the real spanking starts. I haven’t decided which paddle I’m using but the crop is definitely making an appearance and so’s your favorite belt.”

Y’all. Guys. Friendos. Friendolos. Buddies.

I have both given and received many a spanking and let me tell you, I don’t even get out of BED for ten smacks with a hand. The human ass is way more resilient than you think it is, and a dude who has pulled bullets out of his own extremities and gets thrown into walls on the regular by various monsters ain’t gonna be wailing and whimpering from a dozen or so swats.

Please, for the sake of my blood pressure, go watch some BDSM scene spanking videos online or read informational material—don’t just take your cues from other fanfics if you don’t actually know about the topic yourself. The authors you’re reading might be as inexperienced as you are. And again, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with inexperience! I just. This particular all-too-frequent trope is physically painful for me, in much the way a ten-swat open-hand spanking is aggressively NOT. Please, end my suffering.

dangerousnotbroken:

braezenkitty:

dangerousnotbroken:

kreweofimp:

alxdiamond:

braezenkitty:

jojodacrow:

jojodacrow:

In late 2015, muse and I began chatting about what we would like to see in a fanfic challenge. We were dissatisfied with how some of the larger challenges were being run and so we made a wishlist for things we thought would make everyone’s experience better. Out of that, Tropefest was born. 

Fast forward, and it is 2019. At this point we have run 9 challenge rounds to completion, started two for this year with a third in planning stages to launch in April. Because of this, there hasn’t been a day since we started that conversation back in 2015 that I wasn’t working on a challenge or planning one. 

Running one challenge is mentally exhausting, much less running three concurrently but as of April 2019, that is exactly what we will be doing. The work can be rewarding and I love it but one of the things that no one tells you about running a challenge is how much criticism is thrown your way constantly. How much drama there is behind the scenes. And how little respect so many people who participate have for you and your time.

During these 12 challenges I personally have:

• Managed posting while my husband laid in a hospital bed from a triple bypass. A surgery they we weren’t sure he was going to make it through.
• Had a vacation with friends I haven’t seen in 8 years semi-ruined because I had to spend one of the nights managing situations with a challenge. 
• Had to close down two different chats because of the behavior of participants.
• Had to spend a hectic work trip managing a challenge situation between two partners because one of them just couldn’t be a decent person.
• Discovered a personal health issue and had to fly to a hospital 700 miles away to have surgery. 
• Became a caretaker to my sick husband while working a full time job to support my family.
• Go through an emotional court battle for my step-kids only to lose.
• Have one of the kids immediately get expelled from school because he made a list of kids he wanted to be better friends with interpreted as a hit list because he wrote it out on the bus and another kid saw it and reported it. 
  
• Managed posting after being awake for 30 hours because I had to drive 6 hours in the middle of the night to a mental hospital because the other step-kid wanted to kill himself and that was the closest bed they had.
• Have that same kid end up coming to live with us after sexual abuse happened in the house of one of their mother’s relatives. 

And while all of this was happening, we had people complaining about not giving them enough of our time. Not giving them enough of ourselves. Not being enough period. No matter what decision we make, someone is upset and lets us know. We are expected to drop everything we are doing and give our full attention to whoever needs it the exact moment they need it and if we don’t, they go on tumblr, twitter, or discord channels they forget we are in to bitch about how mean or unfair we are. 

So at the end of last years DCBB, I was done. I wanted to walk away from it all. The amount of entitlement was too much for me to handle anymore. So muse and I struck a deal: We would limit Tropefest to a select group of people who we had experience with. People who had always treated us like we were humans with real problems and not someone to abuse because they thought they could run the challenge better. That was how we got our three requirements. We sent out invites to 60 authors and 36 wanted to join us. We just sent out our first wave of artist invites to 50 artists and have heard from 11 so far. 

This challenge is my last ditch effort to fall back in love with running challenges. It is supposed to help me remember why this is fun. But so far, it’s not working. 

I just wanted to add this in. The methods for choosing people were not super scientific and exact. If you signed up for a challenge with a slightly different name, you might have been missed as someone who would have met the requirements as my software would have seen you as two different people. I spent roughly a week trying to identify and fix all of these but I know I missed a few because I’m human. I’m sorry some of your were missed and I’ll try to do better if we do this again. 

#here is your transparency#but please do continue your commentary about how this happened because i’m gate keeping via @deancastropefest

Ok but do you understand that you can be gate keeping without intentionally doing it? You are excluding a HUGE group of people who might not otherwise participate in fandom. For me, as a new writer, participating in the DCBB brought me a huge audience I wouldn’t have had on my own. It’s the same for all challenges. I believe the whole point of challenges is to bring attention to new writers. Yes, lots of established writers take part, and that’s part of the draw, but why are we running challenges if they’re not open to everyone? Who wants to read the same popular artists over and over, regardless of how good they are?

To exclude such a large portion of fandom is just not cool, and is by definition, gate keeping.

Also, because of the fact that you run not only this challenge but several other large challenges, this decision automatically affects a larger group of people who are now worried the other challenges will be run the same way. Whether that’s your decision or not, it’s causing a lot of anxiety about gate keeping.

Well hey, good thing this isn’t the DCBB. Tropefest has always had entry requirements that made it “exclude” new authors because it was a pet project for two people who loved the fandom and tropes. So no, the point isn’t and never was to “bring attention to new authors.”

If people are worried around the other challenges, it’s because folks like you are going around spreading the idea it’ll happen. Every announcement has said they’re just doing it for Tropefest and why. One of the other three challenges they run is currently open for anyone to sign up, if anyone had bothered checking instead of jumping into the “but I want it” mob mentality.

The fear-mongering about future challenges suddenly banning individuals Willy-nilly, this painting the mods as vengeful monsters…this is has got to stop. This is getting clownishly ridiculous. Come on, people. Ease up on the melodrama.

Honestly this whole thing already has a “won’t someone think of the children?!” vibe that’s fairly ludicrous on its face and we’re only getting heavier on the melodrama.

I would love to see what suggestions people have that would allow the mods to protect their mental health and boundaries, since I really haven’t seen any commentary against the invite only approach that tries to address that. If not this, how? I’m not being sarcastic I literally want to know what the better answer is. I absolutely understand everything people are saying about why they’re opposed to this format but the answer to those concerns isn’t “the mods don’t get to have boundaries”

There’s a lot to address here, but I’ll just say this: People are rightly concerned, because of the way this change happened, with no up front transparency or notice, that future challenges will also be changed with no, or very little, transparency or notice. That’s valid. That’s not fear-mongering or painting anyone as vengeful, it’s not ludicrous.

And here are some suggestions for future challenges:

• GET HELP. Seriously, how many challenges are these two people running by themselves? Why can’t they ask for help? For someone else to step in when they have family engagements or emergencies, or just need a mental health break? That’s what you do when you’re overwhelmed - you ask for help. What you don’t do is guilt trip participants and continue running the challenge with a martyr complex.
  
• Give ample notice for any changes being made and make appropriate attempts to notify people who might be interested in such changes. Posting something on the Tropefest blog ahead of time, like when the decision was being contemplated, would have gone so far to mitigate all this fallout. Something as simple as “Hey, heads up, there are going to be some changes coming to the way this challenge is run. More info to come soon.”
• Make an application process. Ok, so you don’t want to let just anybody participate, fine, that’s totally understandable. Make it an open application process with clearly defined criteria and give people the choice whether to apply or not. I see plenty of challenges that have criteria that say “if you’ve dropped out past the deadline you don’t get to participate the following year” or similar.
• Tweak the rules. Tell people up front, if you’re a dick to the mods the mods reserve the right to kick you out of the challenge after a set number of warnings (or outright, whatever the mods choose). But give people a chance to follow the rules before eliminating them.

Nobody’s saying the mods don’t get to have boundaries. And I’m getting real sick of people putting those words in my mouth. This whole situation could have been avoided, or it at least wouldn’t have been such a big deal, if the mods had done literally any of the above suggestions.

But you know what, nobody wants to listen so I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to any of this anymore.

I actually didn’t put those words in your mouth, I just pointed out that I wasn’t seeing conversation that extended to offering alternate solutions. I’m sorry if you felt that was specifically directed at you; it was a general statement and not meant to be an attack

Having said that I do agree with the concerns people are expressing. They’re valid, I wanna go on record with that. I just didn’t like that the bulk of the commentary I was seeing was about how this affected participants without acknowledging how it affected mods

And still, all this and hilariously (note: I am not actually amused) enough, not a single person who is hammering away at the mods for this has offered to *help* them in any way.

If you think you can do it better, create your own challenge and proceed to do so, but it’s easy to say after the fact “people wouldn’t be mad if you’d done it this way.” Off the top of my head I can see at least four ways every one of those ‘solutions’ could have backfired impressively, because sometimes people are just piranhas looking for reasons to eat someone alive.

Depressingly, this is a fandom that will create sturm und drang if there’s none to be found.

Also the number of folks saying “if it’s that rough you don’t have to do it” will, it seems to me, be singing a mighty different tune if they find that these challenges stop happening altogether or are incredibly poorly run because the mods took their advice and stopped doing it, and nobody wanted to take over or nobody *competent* was willing to take over.

As someone watching this unfold, there is now no universe in which I would agree to mod a challenge and open myself up to this kind of assault.

Fandom is absolutely incredible (note: I’m not actually impressed) for the degree to which it is willing to cannibalize itself.

unforth:

reallyelegantsharkfish:

alxdiamond:

reallyelegantsharkfish:

not to vagueblog but so many gd new writers use challenges as a way to get themselves out there

so like… what the fuck. 

what’s the point of a challenge that’s just a clique of your buds 

i have NO patience for fandom gatekeeping and snobbery 

Here’s a hill I’ll die on:

There are still 8 million other challenges including two of the largest ones in the fandom run by these same people for newcomers to participate in and then vagueblog, bitch in discord, or straight-up @ the mods to complain that it didn’t actually “get them out there” because they:

• didn’t complete the required drafts but think there should be an exception just for them because that’s how their creative process works
  
• didn’t turn in the required drafts because they couldn’t be bothered to keep track of the schedule themselves and didn’t check their email for two weeks
• turned in a draft but dropped out after claims but don’t think it’s fair for that to disqualify them from next time
• turned in a draft and missed their posting date and never talked to their artist or mods every again
• actually posted! yay! but it’s not a genre that’s popular or it has tags that scare people away or the summary just isn’t catchy or…
• just didn’t get lucky amid the 100+ other fics that posted as part of the challenge

So that takes care of part of the “but exposure for me! :(:(:(” argument, but it’s really not why I’m here. Why I’m here is

what’s the point of a challenge that’s just a clique of your buds 

Setting aside the fact that it’s not just those people, the point? The point is that Tropefest is their fucking challenge that they made a couple years back to have something they enjoy. This isn’t DCBB, don’t try and attach some kind of deep and profound fandom ownership to the challenge because the only history it has is of them running it and having admission requirements to even sign up.

That’s right. This shit ain’t new.

It’s raising the bar on entry, but it’s still a bar that’s always been there. So that this one challenge they run, already with the smallest participation of the four that they run all year round can be a little less stressful. And honestly, it’s not a high bar: they sent out more invitations than completed Tropefest fics in 2016 or 2017 combined. And they sent them to people who have proven through past successful participation in their challenges will not do any of the above, because it turns out that’s a lot to put on two mods who do this shit for free, with a level of organization and professionalism that I dare anyone out there to match in challenges the size of their larger ones.

Especially in a fandom that’s infamous even in other drama-filled fandoms for its entitled and toxic members.

This isn’t gatekeeping. No one is telling anyone what they can and can’t write, they just might not be able to write it for this particular challenge, this year. They could do it for DCBB or any of the other previously mentioned 8 million challenges that are starting up all over the place. Hell, if you’re so fucking heated about this then start up your own to get all those newcomers out there. Let me know how that goes for you and if, at the end of it, you still think your goddamn sense of entitlement and outrage at not being able to participate in a challenge you have never participated in outweighs the well-being of the actual human beings behind it.

Because that’s what you’re saying.

(ps as someone who doesn’t do challenges, my only dog in this fight is finding extreme offense in forming an elitist faction of fandom) 

So I wrote a short reply in the comments but I’ve got more to say. I even moved my ass from mobile to a computer so I could actually type.

Sharkie, I get what you’re saying, but I truly, truly think you do not understand the logistical challenges of running these challenges, the investment of time that moderators put in, and the damage that can be done by people who drop out, especially in a “paired off” challenge where participants are expected to collaborate. You’ve said explicitly that you haven’t done challenges. It shows in your simplified view of the nature of this problem. 

I also have no dog in this fight. I have only done one challenge ever with Jojo and Muse, did complete it successfully, but didn’t get a Tropefest invite. And honestly, when I saw that it had gone invite only, it stung a little. Not that I would have signed up if I could have, not that I would have said yes in being invited, but let’s be real, everyone wants to feel included, and my knee jerk reaction to the announcement was actually pretty similar to yours - “what is this bullshit?” But then I considered it more 

I have participated in challenges. I have dropped out of challenges. I have run challenges. I have written for challenges. I have created art for challenges. I’ve done Bangs and Bingos and Reverse Bangs. As someone with experience from most of the relevant angles…

If the only consequence that people face for dropping out of whatever past challenges they’ve ditched is being excluded from one single thing that Jojo and Muse wanna run? Honestly, I’m cool with that. 

No one wants to make fandom not be fun. No one wants to be the one to say, “treat this as a responsibility.” But, to use my own experience - I run MCU Kink Bingo, and it takes 20 to 40 minutes of my real life time to make a customized card for every participant. We routinely have an attrition rate of more than 50% - that’s half the people who sign up never doing a single thing for the challenge. Last round, that was sixty fucking people, 20 plus hours of time my time just, completely demolished and fundamentally disrespected. After a lot of consideration, we did decide to implement a consequence, too - in our case, it was “anyone who signed up and did nothing can’t get a new card.” They don’t get to take advantage of all our work creating cards twice (or, in a small number of cases, three times, for people who did nothing in round 1 and in round 2.)

And from a participant stand point - it’s unfair to the other participants when people drop out of a challenge such as trope fest. If there are summaries to be claimed, it feels like crap to have your favorite summary or RB piece claimed by an author or an artist who then drops out. You wanted that summary, you know you’d have done it justice, and you got denied it by someone who may have had a good reason to leave, yes, or may have had no reason at all, may have bitten off more than they could chew, may have just completely forgotten, etc., etc. It’s unfair to the artist or author with whom they are paired. It’s unfair to every other artist and author involved in the challenge, who now have been deprived of the abandoned partner. When one person drops out, especially after claims/pairing off, they force a second person out as well, a second person who might have also been a newbie, who might have been reliable, who might have been super jazzed to participate. That person could have been a good partner to a reliable participant, and instead they’re now nowhere, forced to withdraw against their will, and potentially turned off challenges long term or forever based on their experience. This is especially a problem if the person is an artist; it’s already a constant struggle to recruit enough artists for pairing-off challenges because so many have been burned by bad experiences.

Furthermore, the “take all comers” attitude towards challenge puts moderators in an awkward position. Like, I’ve encountered people who have been rude, or inconsiderate, or just behaved in ways that made me really uncomfortable. Nothing I could ban them for, though. Which means, when sign ups go live, if they sign up…I’m stuck working with them again. And again and again and again, and exposing myself to their behavior again, etc.

This is the choice mods make when we volunteer to help run challenges, and for the most part, we obviously decide that the few problem participants are worth tolerating in exchange for all the other positives that come with running challenges.

But make no mistake - running challenges is a ton of work, a huge time sink, and it puts the moderators in a vulnerable position, and it requires a lot of patience and logistical know-how and organization.

Participants who are abusive, participants who drop out, participants who poof and never reply to e-mail, participants who miss check ins or posting dates, damage fan fest experiences for every other person involved - as a moderator, as a creator, and even as a reader. 

There are fantastic challenges out there for newbies to test the waters, see how they enjoy doing creation challenges, meet people, and get their work out there. I especially recommend bingos, because they are generally solo endeavors (instead of paired-off challenges), have low minimum word counts or art requirements, and generally have no consequences or only minimal consequences for non-participation. They make a great stepping stone. Newbies out there looking right now, there are multiple ones open for sign ups - in SPN fandom, I know the @spnrarepairbingo just opened sign ups a couple days ago, and sign up looks like it’s still open for @spnkinkbingo too. If ya’ll are in MCU fandom or Check, Please! fandom, you’re welcome to come over to one of the bingos I run - @mcukinkbingo and @checkpleasebingo (which can’t be tagged cause Tumblr purge). You can sign up for the Dean/Cas Reverse Bang (I think sign ups are open now?) or for the Dean/Cas Big Bang when sign ups open on April 1st, or you can join in on the @destielharlequinchallenge, which I’m helping mod and which will be opening for sign ups any day now, or you can find any of a dozen or more other challenges - I suggest taking a look at @thebigbangblogproject, an excellent source on the cornucopia of current fandom challenges with an emphasis on SPN-related ones.

There are so many challenges for folks to do.

Just not Trope Fest.

Not every fic fest has to be for everyone. 

Moderators are allowed to set boundaries on the challenges they create.

In this case, Jojo and Muse run four challenges.

The DCBB is open to every writer and artist.

The DCRB is open to every writer and artist.

The DC Mini Trope Fest is open to every writer and artist.

Only this fic fest has a restriction of participation. Jojo and Muse have chosen to set this boundary.

As a mod of multiple challenges who has probably only dealt with a fraction of the shit they’ve faced?

I see absolutely zero problem with this.

I’m just glad they’re still willing to tackle all these behemoths every year. Cause honestly, you couldn’t pay me to run the DCBB. And I invite you, or anyone else out there, who doesn’t like this change to the Trope Fest and thinks you can do it better, to go out there and put a challenge together and do your best! Cause hey, more challenges equals more fun for everyone! But until you’re willing to do it yourself, maybe consider that there are issues involved that you’re not gonna know if you haven’t modded, and don’t get on a high horse about it.

Cause sharkie…you’re my friend…but I really, really think you’ve picked the wrong hill to die on in this case.

Everything that @unforth said. INCLUDING in the tags where she said she’d stab a bitch for you, Jules. I would, too, any goddamned day (and my anxiety was SCREAMING its “now she’s gonna hate me” song when I reblogged with a disagreement in the first place, but I think this is important enough to push through anyhow), but your knee-jerk response here isn’t a fair one. It lacks the nuance this subject deserves.

And, more generally, looking at a whole bunch of people, a number of whom I like and respect…I am super distressed to see that the response to hearing that people who do an absolutely mammoth amount of work for this fandom are being abused while doing so and have thus chosen to make one single space in which they will be free of such abuse is “you don’t get an abuse free space and we’re gonna harangue you until you never try to have one again.

“And I‘ve talked to a couple participants who, watching this wank develop, are considering dropping out altogether because they don’t wanna get piled on for participating.

What’s happening here is really not okay. I hate that this is how our fandom behaves, that this is how we feel we have leave to behave.

When did we decide we were entitled to every person and every last corner of the fandom? When did we decide people only get to set boundaries of self protection when they’re boundaries that we personally think are defensible?

Feeling really disillusioned tonight.

PSA that I have a lot of rage these days–like a lot–so when some anonymous cockwomble leaves a shitty comment (”Does this story have a plot???”) on my wife’s incredible fic (which is OPENLY and BLATANTLY tagged as ‘slow burn’) and which all you fuckers should read, you’re liable to get This in response:

“Quick question; do you have a parent and/or guardian and/or older sibling and/or literally any older and less stupid human to teach you manners??? I mean; apparently not, or you would be less of a giant embarrassment to fans and fandom everywhere. Hell, I’m pretty sure most feral children raised by wolves are capable of behaving in markedly more civilized ways than this. I mean, you clearly have a device on which you can access the internet, and somewhere along the way, some poor schmuck taught you to read and write, so one would think somewhere in there somebody would have tried to instill in you the general tools required to, oh, I don’t know, not be a GIANT FUCKING ASSHOLE, and yet here we are.

Having gotten that out of the way, let’s have a little chat, my friend. Let’s talk, friendolo. Let’s parlay. Let’s have a lil pow wow. I’m not gonna call you “Deana,” cause real talk, we both know that’s not your name and you’re hardly worthy to feminize and steal Dean Winchester’s name, so instead let’s just go with “kid.” I’m gonna call you kid, in the vain hope that only a spoilt, privileged, entitled 15-year-old would display such mind-bogglingly self-impressed behavior. So. Kid it is.

Listen up, kid. The really, really cool thing about fandom is this: it’s a community of thousands of people, most of whom will never encounter each other in the “real world,” and many of whom aren’t into the same shit. And nobody has to partake in the stuff they don’t enjoy! How about that? More about that later.

Here’s the OTHER thing: the fact that this isn’t the “real world” doesn’t mean the people behind the screen are any less real. It doesn’t mean the person whose work you just insulted, the absolutely brilliant author whose entire, complex, and-incidentally-STILL-IN-PROGRESS work you just boiled down to “Does this story have a plot???” isn’t in fact a real human being. I promise you this, having interacted with her in said real world. Obviously you don’t give two shits about this, but that doesn’t negate the fact that a real live three-dimensional human being sat behind a screen and poured hours into the construction of a story, purely for the joy of being able to create it and share it with those who might be interested. And fascinatingly enough, she’s also not forcing anyone who *isn’t* interested to stay around. Dangerousnotbroken is not strapping anybody to chairs, forcing their eyelids open with toothpicks, and shocking them when they dare to look away from her fic. I assume that nobody else is either (but hell, I also would’ve assumed somebody would’ve taught you, if not manners, at least like…a single manner. Half of one. One TENTH of one manner. But no, again, here we are, totally devoid of manners. Not a scrap of a manner to be found anywhere). ANYWAY! I think we can all agree you’re not being forced on pain of death to read this story, and that if at any point you determined it wasn’t to your liking, you could have simply clicked elsewhere. There’s this neat little “x” button. You can find it on the top of your screen at the far right. If you click on it, it takes you *away* from things you don’t enjoy! Feel free to make use of this next time, instead of insulting the fruits of someone’s intense labor that they were kind enough to offer to you, totally free of charge.

Anyhoo, I’ve got a lot of rage these days what with Emperor Hirocheeto fucking up my country (oh my God that’s it, isn’t it? You’re a Trumper! They don’t care about manners!), so I guess I can thank you for giving me a really spectacular outlet for it, kid. But don’t think I–and everyone else who sees this nonsense you spewed–notice that you chose to do so anonymously, without even a username to stand behind. Like every Trumper (whether or not that’s what you are; I recognize that was a reach) you’re bold in your cruelty when you can keep to the shadows. Bet you’re a lot less bold when someone shines a light on you. Bet you scatter back under the fridge, like every cockroach.

IN CONCLUSION; you have the whole English language and the entire internet at your disposal. Try to make use of them toward the eventual goal of sucking even just a little less. We’re all pulling for you, kiddo!”

…it’s possible that the only reason I stopped was cause I ran out of characters.  Don’t fuck with my wife, yo, and on a more general level, don’t fucking offer unsolicited criticism–’constructive’ or otherwise–on ANY fic, EVER.  These works are being offered to you for free.  They are a GIFT.  Be gracious, or be crushed in an avalanche of furious KreweOfImp words.

Sorrynotsorry  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

archofimagine:

kreweofimp:

In b4 the “oh my god why don’t they just let this show die” assholes who always seem to congregate around SPN renewal time.

Ain’t nobody making you watch this shit. Move along, Cujo. Not your circus, not your monkeys, and pls to get a life if you have energy to be pissed that people are enjoying something you don’t. Go rain on somebody else’s parade.

As I was explaining to people at SeaCon… I started watching the show in the middle of season NINE… that really WASN’T THAT LONG AGO. So people like me, and ones that have started after me, sit here watching the people bitching about the show needing to ‘die’ and get REALLY FUCKING IRRITATED! We haven’t been around since Day 1, so why don’t you back the fuck off and let us enjoy the thing, huh? I don’t see anyone bitching about The Simpsons (which is literally older than I am) continuing on and on. People like shows, the SPN crew still likes making the show, so fuck off.

Originally posted by sydroh

EXACTLY. I started watching the show between seasons 10 and 11. Having new seasons to watch as they air brings me great joy. So go find something else to take a steaming dump on, haters.