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SuperKooku

@superkooku / superkooku.tumblr.com

Just a silly goose who likes Greek myths and posting about her favorite fandoms (see pinned post)
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After see your cΓ³mic of Dionysus giving the death tl Orpheus as a "gift" to see Eurydice again. I imagine Apollo arriving later to see his son and Dionysus be like: "fuck, right, he is my newphew" considerkng Orpheus is Apollo's son lmaoo

Apollo: Dionysus, have you seen Orpheus?

Dionysus: ...

Apollo: Dionysus. Where. Is. My. Son.

Dionysus, sweating nerviously:

*apollo ready to shoot him with an arrow*

Dionysus: i can explain!

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Yeaaaah, considering how Apollo has a history of not reacting very well to his kids' deaths, Dionysus probably had to give some serious justifications 🀣. If even Zeus's wrath isn't enough to stop him getting his revenge, said justification must have been flawlessly convincing.

(I mean, Orpheus sometimes disregarding Dionysus as a god justifies the wrath enough. And it's mostly a maenad related accident. But Apollo would still be pissed)

Iirc in one source, he had to punish the maenads responsible for this. I'm headcannoning it's because Apollo either forcing him to or to reconcile with his half-brother.

Also, in case some may doubt Apollo's fatherly involvement, here is him mourning Orpheus with the muses (mostly in the second text) :

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Fuck it I’ll complain about this at least, otherwise I’ll explode.

It’s actually so funny when these writers add misogyny to Greek myths that never existed to begin with, bc the fuck you mean women weren’t considered a threat to power? I know this writer is trying to show that Athena is wrong but this is such an ooc opinion for her to have, even the most misogynistic ancient writers acknowledged the strength of these mythical women. DanaΓ« was considered a threat herself bc she could give birth to the man who will kill her father, it’s her choice in how she raised the boy that affected the course of Greece forever, what are mothers not powerful?

What about other women who used their status and power to affect laws and politics? Clytemnestra, Alcmene, Antigone, Electra, Gorgophone, Penelope, Medea and so many others, all written by men mind you.

Imagine having Athena, who suplexed Ares on the battlefield in the lliad and beating him like he owed her money, say dumb misogynistic shit like this just to make your characters look better

What’s crazy is that YOU CAN make Athena an antagonist, a terrifying antagonist at that if the writer actually TAKES HER SERIOUSLY AS A GODDESS. Athena is a menace just like Ares but unlike him she’s smart with her anger and has self control, she can be a dominating and powerful presence that it feels impossible for your protagonist to beat her, or at least sway her into leaving them be. So much you can do with a villainous Athena and all these authors can come up with is *checks notes* a bratty grown ass woman who bullies children WOW look at the literature of today.

Making any of the Olympians to be an absolutely terrifying antagonist can be possible if done right. Why make Apollo a dumb rapist when you can make him as the God of plague/other illnesses, an archer who never misses, a wrathful prophet with crows as his messengers ?

Same with Athena. Just reading what this woman did to Ajax was enough to convince me of Athena's potential to be an absolute menace.

It also depends on the perspective. If one tells the godly punishment of a mortal, then I expect to see the furious might of the god.

But they shouldn't be if it's supposed to be about a figure on GOOD TERMS with said god (like Athena and Perseus) or just neutral about the whole ordeal (anytime Hades is wrongly the villain).

For example, my idea for Apollo would work for a retelling about idk, Marsyas, the Cyclopes he killed or even Cassandra if done right.

This, however, would be a terrible idea in a POV about Orpheus, Admetus or Asclepius.

Same with Athena or any other deity.

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Favorite Posts

Mainly this is so I can find these posts easily (for future reference) but also wanna make a place for all these great posts :3

this is definitely not complete and I don't think it ever will be haha

Thanks for including my lil ramblings about Asclepius !! It always feels great to see people being interested in him because he's super underrated πŸ˜†.

I've already checked out some of the other posts, rather those on the mythology side of things (I didn't really read the PJO series). I can tell you they're great !

Especially when we defend Apollo of the bad lover and bad father allegations because, let's be honest, the first one greatly lacks nuance and the second one is straight up untrue.

More complaints about the Atalanta retelling

(I included the myth versions' tags because I'm using them for comparison).

I've kept thinking about the Atalanta retelling and am wondering how it's gonna tackle Asclepius' death.

Because if the whole book doesn't subvert my expectations and stays in the "Apollo doesn't even acknowledge his existence" interpretation all the way through, it's impossible to get anything similar to what he did in the myths.

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Apollo with his nine muses 🌿

Apollo with his 9 wives 🀣/hj

He's known for getting rejected more often than the average god but let's also recognize when he succeeds in his love life, in this case managing to pull in 9 smart and talented women like the muses.

Ofc the muses themselves are cool too ! I think if I had to choose one to hang out with, it'd be either Thalia (she'd be super witty and fun) or Clio (she'd tell lots of interesting history fun facts !)

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Asclepius and his father. (Part 4)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! It's here ! It's finally here and it's so beautiful!

Asclepius wanting to save mortals but also fearing that he'll fail his father and death looming over him Apollo tries to gently pull it away. But this won't work against Zeus's wrath, will it ?

Apollo knowing his son will die one day and that, seeing his age, this day is closer than ever before.

I have so many thoughts about this but I love how well it captures both of their personalities, aspirations, strengths and weaknesses. And the father-son bond>>>>>

And idk, the nightmares give me a feeling of Asclepius being overwhelmed by divine forces and a looming danger caused by playing with the laws of death (by resurrecting mortals).

Angry Apollo seemed a bit OOC in the teaser and my feeling was right since it's just part of the nightmare. He's a gentle and caring father to Asclepius and all his progeny in general.

I love these two so much. 10/10

@gingermintpepper Check this out !

Hi πŸ’™

I have an doubt related to your story of Asclepius, i hope you don't mind if i ask, you don't need to answer if you don't want!

Which source for Asclepius' birth do you use? The most well-know is Coronis cheating and being killed while pregnant by either Apollo or Artemis... But i know there's also accounts in which Coronis didn't cheat nor die and she just gave birth to Asclepius normally (and abandoned him fearing her father's reaction according to a text of Pausanias).

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Oooo ! That's going to be fun !

So, for those who don't know, I'm trying to write a story about Asclepius. Because I like this myth and find him neat :3. Unfortunately I'm busy AND tend to procrastinate. So I'm terribly slow. But my brain is quick so I already have a bunch of ideas.

I'll never have a problem answering a question about Asclepius and certainly not rambling about my lil story. So yeah, I'm planning on using the Coronis version (the one where she dies) and kind of expanding on the implications behind the events.

Like Asclepius living detached from his mortal family because he never knew his mother. Also there's the fact that technically, he's a prince. And a funny anecdote : Asclepius and Ixion are related to each other. Because Coronis and Ixion are both the daughter and son of Phlegyas. That's definitely funny πŸ˜‚.

Yet it's never elaborated on, because it's not supposed to, and Asclepius just lives as Apollo's son. It's super interesting that his tie to his mother is so irrelevant to his life that sources stating he's the son of Coronis, of Arsinoe or just that Apollo spawned himself don't change anything about how his tale goes.

In the original source, Asclepius is never said to be holding any resentment against Apollo for the events but also doesn't curse his mother or anything, so I just interpret him being pretty neutral and/or uncomfortable with this subject. And I don't plan on tainting their father-son bond in any way, because it's literally at the center of my story.

Actually I plan on thoroughly exploring Asclepius' nature as a demi-god, his attachment to mortals that is strong and based on his ideals but also pretty distant since, again, he didn't live with his mortal family, instead he grew up around Chiron (and his family) and of course Apollo.

I'm beginning the story as he's already an adult and married to Epione, so the birth story will be placed as background information that tells us about his past.

In the end, this distance could partially explain why Asclepius in a way "played god" by meddling with life and death. He went too far, his demise kind of putting him in his place.

Anyways, I have a whole lot of ideas and I'm happy to have the occasion to ramble about them.

And if anyone has some feedback or ideas I could implement, feel free to tell me. I try to stay faithful to the original sources (I meshed multiple interpretations to get a complete story) but also have my own creative stuff, kinda trying to find a balance.

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