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SuperKooku

@superkooku / superkooku.tumblr.com

Just a silly goose who likes Greek myths and posting about her favorite fandoms (see pinned post)

Info post 3.0

Now I'll actually put some of the "highlights" on this blog. I'll add more in the future. I'll keep the tags of my interests so it's easier to know what I'm into.

Dionysus' iceberg : an essay on why this god is much more nuanced than in adaptations.

Maomao's family is awesome: Part 2 is in my drafts. I'll complete it one day... in the meantime, here's part 1 about Lakan and Luomen :

Translator adventures : me reading "Perseus' grandson" by Henry Lion Oldie, which is only available in Russian for now. And since I don't speak Russian, I'm kinda dependent on translators that don't 100% work πŸ˜‚. I'm kinda summarizing the plot but mostly sharing my impressions of it. Here's the first reading :

My favorite mythological characters : in case someone asks me again :3

Question about retellings : this pin is more for myself and because of my mutuals' advice.

My Epic the musical fanfic (strictly Epic, don't use Odyssey tags please)

My other posts on "#not a reblog"

I already saw this discussion on Tumblr but I'm gonna say it again : it would be so funny if Greek mythology wasn't completely public domain and people couldn't earn money so easily on a culture's back 🀣

Edit : to clarify, "not public domain" doesn't mean it belongs to a big corporation like Disney. Let's imagine a naive what-if scenario where monetization wouldn't be possible for any Greek myth retelling.

I'm not for restricting freedom of expression, obviously, and money is at least a great way for good projects to get budget, but on the flipside, it's a thought exercise because I'm curious to see who would be passionate enough about retelling myths if money and "being trendy" isn't a factor.

And if the ratio to accurate VS inaccurate retellings would actually change. Because istg so many retellings sound like cash grabs 😭

Idk guys, what do you think ?

More complaints about the Atalanta retelling

(I included the myth versions' tags because I'm using them for comparison).

I've kept thinking about the Atalanta retelling and am wondering how it's gonna tackle Asclepius' death.

Because if the whole book doesn't subvert my expectations and stays in the "Apollo doesn't even acknowledge his existence" interpretation all the way through, it's impossible to get anything similar to what he did in the myths.

Technically I don't mind booktok kinda, the negative around by some people around here make me feel uncomfortable.

Also fun fact the only Greek myth retelling i knew about was that women who review bombed other authors.

Cait Corrain. That didn't even have to do with the story.

the race faking stuff that has happened sucks ass though.

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I can get your perspective. Allow me to share mine (subjectively).

Edit : by the way, thanks for your asks πŸ˜„ ! Don't hesitate to continue if you have some other ones in mind.

Admittedly, when I complain about BookTok, I mean stereotypical dark romance books. It's not hard to have a nice BookTok experience by curating your feed and get some stuff you actually like (it has less views but hey, it still exists !)

Ultimately, I'm indifferent to the independent stories of this genre, because since they're not my thing I can just avoid them, but what I don't like is when these trends go anywhere near Greek mythology (which happens very often).

Because those simplified tropes do NOT go well with something as nuanced as Greek mythology. It needs to be researched, thought about, the interpretations need to make sense.

I always appreciate artists who try drawing the hecatoncheires as they way they were described in myth. Aka artists hell. 100 hands and 50 faces. I know it's always look like a mess but seriously trying to figure out how do it in the first place is impressive

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Really? I'm curious now 🧐.

Can you send me some links ? I'd like to see if it looks as funky as it sounds. But yeah, it's a really impressive feat!

(also, kudos to the hecatoncheires' loyalty ! About the time they helped Zeus as some of his family members ganged up against him. I just wanted to say that),

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Atalanta retelling (review)

Since it's divided in multiple parts, I'll divide this review according to those parts.

Here is a prediction bingo I created out of my and my moots' predictions, I'd like to thank @gingermintpepper , @go-rocksquadsfan , @amostcuriousmythicist , @just-1-scorpio , @jejesoso and @margaretkart (in dms) for giving me the ideas.

Note that not all of these predictions are necessarily negative, but pretty obvious for the genre. The free spaces are for "Stuff I should've seen coming"

Since I made it AFTER reading the first part, I'll be nice and only start counting their realization in the next ones. Although I could already be crossing :

  • Out of place names
  • "Not like other girlsβ„’"
  • "It's no place for a woman"

Part 1 - Childhood

Okay, here is part 2 !!

So, like I said in my now deleted post (R.I.P), this second part left me with different tastes in my mouth, even more than a few hours ago.

Let's just say that it really sucks to have what could be a good retelling be held back by a few glaring flaws. Btw quick reminder : this is just my opinion and my experience, I'm not a literary critic, don't take my words as the truth. And I won't say anything against the author, just reviewing her book.

Btw, if it was an object, it would be a rollercoaster 🎒. Because there are cool highs but lows that rub me the wrong way.

Here's the bingo, btw. (Green = well handled. Orange = neutral. Red = ugh 😩)

I changed the Ares thing because it's not that interesting (though his lil role in the myth is super neat) and replaced a mistake that @jejesoso pointed out.

Also, there WAS a healing scene but it was setting up the friendship, not romance (also they were kids), and Atalanta was just bitten by a snake. But who knows ? @gingermintpepper could be right and there WILL be a battle before a romantic healing scene later on.

Part 2 - Chiron

Since I'm kinda dumb and wanted to ramble really bad, I forgot to include a summary lmao πŸ˜‚.

Here's what happened:

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Atalanta retelling (review)

Since it's divided in multiple parts, I'll divide this review according to those parts.

Here is a prediction bingo I created out of my and my moots' predictions, I'd like to thank @gingermintpepper , @go-rocksquadsfan , @amostcuriousmythicist , @just-1-scorpio , @jejesoso and @margaretkart (in dms) for giving me the ideas.

Note that not all of these predictions are necessarily negative, but pretty obvious for the genre. The free spaces are for "Stuff I should've seen coming"

Since I made it AFTER reading the first part, I'll be nice and only start counting their realization in the next ones. Although I could already be crossing :

  • Out of place names
  • "Not like other girlsβ„’"
  • "It's no place for a woman"

Part 1 - Childhood

Okay, here is part 2 !!

So, like I said in my now deleted post (R.I.P), this second part left me with different tastes in my mouth, even more than a few hours ago.

Let's just say that it really sucks to have what could be a good retelling be held back by a few glaring flaws. Btw quick reminder : this is just my opinion and my experience, I'm not a literary critic, don't take my words as the truth. And I won't say anything against the author, just reviewing her book.

Btw, if it was an object, it would be a rollercoaster 🎒. Because there are cool highs but lows that rub me the wrong way.

Here's the bingo, btw. (Green = well handled. Orange = neutral. Red = ugh 😩)

I changed the Ares thing because it's not that interesting (though his lil role in the myth is super neat) and replaced a mistake that @jejesoso pointed out.

Also, there WAS a healing scene but it was setting up the friendship, not romance (also they were kids), and Atalanta was just bitten by a snake. But who knows ? @gingermintpepper could be right and there WILL be a battle before a romantic healing scene later on.

Edit : since no one reblogged yet, I can add that the summary is on my next reblog, if you want to have the slightest idea on what's going on. I forgot to include it earlier πŸ˜…

Part 2 - Chiron

I find portraying ichor as gold is a fun concept but as a artist you gotta make it work or it will look silly

Also do people really go with red that's strange

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I mean, look at the Hollywood movies where there are gods fighting. A lot of the time, their blood is red.

In Epic the musical, that was an artistic choice because, like you say, gold can look silly.

Looking back at my pet peeves, I realize that it's relatively small compared to other ones I have in mind.

But yeah, I like it when ichor is actually paid attention to !

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I'm reading the cure inscriptions of Epidaurus and some of these stories are just so funny.

Asclepius is a very funny man with zero self-restraint and I LOVE it. He heals people, he gets the job done but really in the way he wants, usually not the conventional one.

He involves a bunch of animals, comes to people with the weirdest visions possible and if he's not happy he straight up takes everything back because how dare you.

And here is Asclepius continuing to resurrect the dead again despite the fact that he was killed for it (and the fact that this has more than one source shows how important this story is. Asclepius is a recidivist)

And here's him being sassy

I love how eccentric this guy is.

Reblogging this again because this is how I want adult Asclepius to be characterized in retellings (yes, by that I mean the Atalanta book).

The excuse that "there isn't any source where he has a personality" isn't valid purely because these inscriptions exist. If he's a main character in a retelling, the author's research should 100% have reached those.

Yeah he's nice, he heals people, he's friendly and that's also an important part that shouldn't be ignored. However he isn't a shy softie. He often uses kinda funky weird methods, demands the minimum of recognition from this patients otherwise he just makes everything go back to the starting point and is annoyed when subordinate doctors mess up an operation (tbf the patient ended up killed by their mistake).

And again, he still resurrects the dead even after the whole debacle. The nerve this man has ! Incredible

And his enemies ? According to that one Apollodorus source, he has already used the poisonous side of the gorgon blood to "take care" of them 🀣

CANNOT BELIEVE I DIDN'T RESPOND TO THIS EARLIER but yeah, dude, the Epidarus inscriptions are literally some of the funniest shit imaginable. Especially because it completely kills the concept of Asclepius being this paragon of goodness just because he is a good man.

He's goofy and charismatic, cheeky and eccentric. He has good humour but gets irritated easily by people who doubt and people who complain. The same features that make him a good doctor are probably what make him a good father too!

Just, ahhhh, he's so rich with personality and foibles and it makes him such a perfect character to adapt!! So many traits to choose from!!!

Well, from the few things I saw of him in part 1, he's shown as a brat who looks like a cutie pie (aka mini Apollo), which COULD be a good thing if as an adult, he matures into the kind of man he is in the inscriptions. Also, at this time, Chiron still teaches him ethics and raises him, so there's quite a chance he won't stay as grumpy.

I also kinda hope that if he's mischaracterized (which isn't impossible unfortunately), it's at least in an interesting way so I'll get to laugh and complain a lot 🀣🀣.

If he ends up being the "generic broody love interest with daddy issues", it's a terrible approach, I hate it, but it's some fuel for lots of rambling material.

But yeah, Asclepius in the Epidaurian inscriptions is an absolute icon and I bless whoever engraved them πŸ™. In the myths he's super cool in general but now we have more silly anecdotes to accompany the compelling myth and give us insight on how he was perceived in the culture.

(and you bet that if I write that one story of him I have in my head, I'll 100000% pull inspiration from those inscriptions)

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I'm reading the cure inscriptions of Epidaurus and some of these stories are just so funny.

Asclepius is a very funny man with zero self-restraint and I LOVE it. He heals people, he gets the job done but really in the way he wants, usually not the conventional one.

He involves a bunch of animals, comes to people with the weirdest visions possible and if he's not happy he straight up takes everything back because how dare you.

And here is Asclepius continuing to resurrect the dead again despite the fact that he was killed for it (and the fact that this has more than one source shows how important this story is. Asclepius is a recidivist)

And here's him being sassy

I love how eccentric this guy is.

Reblogging this again because this is how I want adult Asclepius to be characterized in retellings (yes, by that I mean the Atalanta book).

The excuse that "there isn't any source where he has a personality" isn't valid purely because these inscriptions exist. If he's a main character in a retelling, the author's research should 100% have reached those.

Yeah he's nice, he heals people, he's friendly and that's also an important part that shouldn't be ignored. However he isn't a shy softie. He often uses kinda funky weird methods, demands the minimum of recognition from this patients otherwise he just makes everything go back to the starting point and is annoyed when subordinate doctors mess up an operation (tbf the patient ended up killed by their mistake).

And again, he still resurrects the dead even after the whole debacle. The nerve this man has ! Incredible

And his enemies ? According to that one Apollodorus source, he has already used the poisonous side of the gorgon blood to "take care" of them 🀣

Atalanta retelling (review)

Since it's divided in multiple parts, I'll divide this review according to those parts.

Here is a prediction bingo I created out of my and my moots' predictions, I'd like to thank @gingermintpepper , @go-rocksquadsfan , @amostcuriousmythicist , @just-1-scorpio , @jejesoso and @margaretkart (in dms) for giving me the ideas.

Note that not all of these predictions are necessarily negative, but pretty obvious for the genre. The free spaces are for "Stuff I should've seen coming"

Since I made it AFTER reading the first part, I'll be nice and only start counting their realization in the next ones. Although I could already be crossing :

  • Out of place names
  • "Not like other girlsβ„’"
  • "It's no place for a woman"

Part 1 - Childhood

In response to the tags in Ginger's reblog :

Ikrrrrr.

Like I was digging for big flaws before realizing: "wait, it's ok ? Atalanta is cute and decent (although not very complex but it's ok since it's the beginning) ? The plot is 'plot-ing' ? There are actual neat connections to the myths ?"

Though I fear that how Asclepius will be handled can completely ruin any good will the decent beginning made me want to show 🀣.

Seriously, if the author removed 3-4 plot points and wrote this part in isolation, it would have been pretty neat and I would've apologized.

Unfortunately, I'm only at 1/10th of the book so I may change my mind later on πŸ’€

Yes, my comment is yet another distraction so you don't have to end Alcestis.

Also, your point with Artemis is very relevant (I forgot about poor Hippolytus !!) and makes the "fond of the Amazons" thingy go in the positive section from now on 😁. It's this kind of slight "liberty" with actual basis that I should really appreciate more, because it's interesting to follow on, instead of crackships (like the future main pairing) or demonizing gods.

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