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SuperKooku

@superkooku / superkooku.tumblr.com

Greek mythology enjoyer Multifandom blog (see pinned post)
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Info post 3.0

Now I'll actually put some of the "highlights" on this blog. I'll add more in the future. I'll keep the tags of my interests so it's easier to know what I'm into.

Dionysus' iceberg : an essay on why this god is much more nuanced than in adaptations.

Maomao's family is awesome: Part 2 is in my drafts. I'll complete it one day... in the meantime, here's part 1 about Lakan and Luomen :

Translator adventures : me reading "Perseus' grandson" by Henry Lion Oldie, which is only available in Russian for now. And since I don't speak Russian, I'm kinda dependent on translators that don't 100% work 😂. I'm kinda summarizing the plot but mostly sharing my impressions of it. Here's the first reading :

My favorite mythological characters : in case someone asks me again :3

Question about retellings : this pin is more for myself and because of my mutuals' advice.

My Epic the musical fanfic (strictly Epic, don't use Odyssey tags please)

My other posts on "#not a reblog"

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You know for a matter of fact that young Björn Andrésen would've been the perfect cast for Dorian Gray.

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superkooku

Istg when I first started reading the book, I immediately pictured him 🤣.

Unfortunately, based on Bjorn's history, playing this role would've been a bad idea and he would've maybe hated it depending on how much more unhealthy parasocial relationships he'd have to handle. Ironically, people in real life treated him like Dorian was treated in the book. Except Bjorn isn't a narcissist but a normal person actually capable of basic empathy so the consequences were mostly on his emotional stability.

But out of context, he would have made a very good Dorian. He has that sweet innocent air, the golden locks, the blue eyes, etc...

I also like how the 2009 actor looks like. He has a more "manipulative bastard" appearance and that fits Dorian too, though I would have preferred they keep the blond hair, but you know, at least it's just a minor change (looking at the future Netflix version in disbelief).

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Drawing concept: Perseus and Dionysus in a “Get-Along shirt” together (Hermes and Athena made them wear it)

I’ve always wondered what Athena and Hermes thought about the conflict between Perseus and Dionysus. Both love their brothers but I only remember Hermes stepping in to stop them from fighting, but what did Athena do? I feel like there should be more conflicted feelings going on y’know? Could be fun to explore.

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superkooku

Peak angry sibling energy 🤣

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I love Percy Jackson and I LOVE ranting abt it. Percy Jackson has a special place in my heart and I love ranting abt how I hate how they represent Apollo. Like I could rant abt how I hate how they represent Apollo then praise Rick for giving us Lester papadopoulos 😂

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I understand you 100% since it's how I feel about Epic the musical 🤣.

I really love the songs, how they are composed AND simply listening to them, the cast's dynamic with each other, the animators' talent, Jorge's inspiration and him as an artist in general because he's humble and funny.

But I just find the story kinda decent at best, because yeah Odysseus isn't cheating on Penelope, we have the basics but on the other hand... too many changes, too many important moments of the Odyssey are either absent or mishandled, etc... I'm in the mood for rambling about every single choice I slightly disagree with.

So yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, considering you find an adaptation fun but can see the inaccuracies and the potential for greatness by respecting the original story. And Apollo is a big example of why. There are so many cool aspects of him I rarely, if ever, see in adaptations. He's usually depicted as either this easygoing lover boy or as this stupid jerk who's full of himself. Or a mix of both depending on whether he's demonized or not. Neither of these two characterizations encompass the slightest bit of his complexity, his passionate nature as a deity, his status as a protector, a defender but also a bringer of plague.

Here's a thing about PJO I'd have preferred and would belong very well in an other adaptation.

Tell me if you agree : what if Apollo was the deity teaching the young heroes rather than Dionysus ? It just fits more (and Apollo could have some cute moments with Chiron considering he raised the centaur). We'd see how versatile he is with different domains and how he's protective with the youth, especially his own. He wouldn't even be punished to do that, he just would just accept to take some of his time to help the youth. Because Apollo didn't need to be punished to raise Chiron and Orpheus, did he ? Though that would imply not making the Olympians terrible parents all the time and respecting the source material 😅).

Yes this is yet another "let Apollo be Dadpollo" post. I'll never stop until I'll find something that satisfies me. I did find one story with Dionysus being intimidating so I have hope.

Speaking of Dionysus, I'd just let him be this fun exotic traveler capable of making a whole kingdom insane in 2 minutes, a wild card whose help always has unexpected consequences and overall some very theatrical support character with darker undertones.

(to the people who reblog, I'd prefer if you don't tag this post PJO or Epic since it's mostly me rambling about potential ideas and I don't want my post to invade either fandom space.)

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Greek mythology except there is a god/goddess of animals that takes care of all the pets and it’s just this poor person having to take care of all the gods animals

Lmao 😂. I can imagine the chaos. Having to take care of Hera's peacock, Apollo's crows, Poseidon's horses and Dionysus' panthers in the same vicinity could be complicated environment-wise and predator-wise. Ares' vultures would watch the chaos unfold and interact in the end. Not to mention fricking Cerberus 🤣

And they'd probably abandon taking care of marine creatures since they simply stay in Poseidon's domain (no excuses for the horses, though).

Honestly that deity would have so much work.

Artemis technically is the goddess of wildlife so she half-fits but it's not like she's the caretaker of every animal or anything. Pan is also a god of wilderness so they maybe share this responsibility, who knows ?

Now I want to imagine a short story of Artemis taking care of her family's animals, them running away and her managing to hunt every single one of them down alive. Because Artemis is THIS badass. She can pull it off.

(ft. Pan who's like that unhelpful partner in group projects and just lies down the whole time)

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Nothing brings me more joy then knowing the fact hades named Cerberus spots

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NGL it's cute, very cute :3

Even though we could wonder if Hades is the one who named him or Echidna and Typhon. And Theoi proposes a translation meaning "death" or "darkness".

So the etymology of his name isn't quite certain but this theory is cute. Imagine naming your dog "darkness" though, it'd also be funny.

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kinniito

THERES NO WAY

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superkooku
How to act like Dr. Jekyll in school ?
  1. When in chemistry class, drink whatever solution you are preparing and take notes on the effects on your body
  2. Push little girls on the sidewalk when they're on your way until you get caught by the school staff and nurse
  3. Indulge in ✨unspecified urges✨ instead of preparing your exams (that you otherwise are very good at) and regret it the day after
  4. When you mess up, "hyde" behind another identity and use it as a scapegoat
  5. Beat up people with a stick
  6. Isolate yourself in your room and pretend you're sick to your parents
  7. Write a biography of your life to your BFF on a death note
  8. Make a will to your own name
  9. Either behave like a gentleman from Victorian England or like a gremlin. No in-between.
  10. Buy a mansion and a bunch of servants with your pocket change
  11. If your parents worry at any point, pretend that everything is fine
  12. Tell that one formaldehyde joke to your classmates

(some of these are mr. Hyde but it's the same person anyways, so...)

Edit : I misplaced something.

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katerinaaqu

Achilles being who he is could be a subject of his upbringing (and how CONTEMPORARY his case seems if one thinks of it!) - an Analysis

Soooo I got an amazing ask today here and got inspired for some random thoughts here!

Has anyone noticed that Achilles's complicated psychology might as well be a result of his upbringing and how incredibly MODERN his case can be? Think about it;

  • He was prophesied he would die early. His family of course was concerned about it (how similar it is to children born with terminal illnesses nowadays indeed!)
  • His mother was already worried given how she was immortal and she was already worried her son was mortal much more when she found out he would be short-lived
  • His father cared enough to fight his goddess wife but also to send him to Chiron, the man who was known to train the best heroes in hope that his son would get the best education but also be prepared for every terrible situation in his life
  • His mother dressed him up as a woman and hid him among women so that he would live
  • His father promised his hair to a river god in hope that he would escape his ill fate (how similar to parents who want their child to go for treatment abroad even if they know it is hopeless!)

One can say Achilles is a child ill-fated, already people overly-indulge him because of his natural talents but also his ill fate. He got his life settled for him one way or another. Built skills as spherical as possible (arguably even for his mother's charade he learnt some female roles as well!), he had the best education as a golden child (from the art of war till music and all) and exceeded in all but also he had his family always worried of him. He even had a companion by his side at all occasions to make sure nothing would happen to him. Arguably his withdrawal to Chiron in nature also shielded Achilles to remain pure from the intrigues of palaces, from actual talks of violence and war WHILE being prepared for war just in case he would need to use it!

But also if one thinks of it...

Point and case as I mentioned to my reblog answer yeah Antilochus dies first indeed (which is why I also touch the subject to my one-shot fanfictions too). What is more Achilles was there when it happened most likely at least in art he is, and he challenged the king of Aithiopia Memnon to a duel for killing Antilochus and then he went in another rage rampage that was his last given how eventually he pushed the Trojans back to the walls but got shot by Paris (from most versions) with the help of Apollo and lost his life.

Man he did didn’t he? And his wife and son were away and he probably hardly knew them at that point given how he was away from them longer than what he was with them so yes he technically lost everyone

Awww thank you so much and yeah I think so too. That Achilles was definitely not sane as a person I mean already in the Iliad the way he was clinging onto a dead body for DAYS while mourning. That DEFINITELY is not a sane behavior. But yes as I mentioned to some of my analysis I link to this post he was tripping all the time. That last loss simply destroyed him. That build up has me fascinated to no ends!

So true! People are people no matter place time or beliefs and they experience love and tragedy and even insanity and man 💔 you are so right these classics are classics for a reason! And they nourished countless generations.

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superkooku

NGL you're really onto something !

It's so interesting how complex of a figure Achilles is. If we compare all the wrongs he's done both in ancient and modern standards, the bloodshed in a way that goes beyond what we usually see in war, with his upbringing, his fate and weird connections to death and despair, we get a very interesting character.

Unfortunately, if he was ready to kill and die, he was not expecting Patroclus to die before him, much less because of his own personal grudge against Agamemnon and the ONE time he was inactive in the war during which so much blood tainted his fair hands. And Achilles, finding himself both caring too much and too little about different stuff, ultimately loses any notion of measure.

Another interesting and contemporary theme present in this story is the generational trauma, how Achilles carried his childhood woes and his broken mind to his own son Neoptolemus, who would be very young too at the time of the war and would eventually go on to do horrendous acts on his own.

Edit : even though Achilles seemed to have cared about his son and thought about Neoptolemus' future, tragic circumstances and his own misplaced dreams of glory made him ultimately go away from him.

I hope I worded it correctly :3. Also, thanks for the tag !

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Anonymous asked:

thoughts on eggars Nosferatu if you have seen it

Sorry, I haven't seen it yet. Though my mutual @margaretkart loved the film so if you didn't ask her yet, I'd suggest to go on her blog.

I'll probably watch this movie one day so I may come back to this post or make a new one to ramble about it.

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My problem with "feminist" retellings

It's all a question of attitude.

On paper, I love the idea of focusing on different women or really anyone in the myths. Their stories are very interesting, the base of many more tales to come and that inspired us. I'd be a hypocrite if I said that I didn't see the appeal of giving a bit of your own ideas to an existing work, or to focus on a figure you find underrated but personally vibe with (me with Asclepius right now :3).

I'm not Greek but I'm personally saying : go ahead. Have fun, see why you love this story and how the ancient Greeks perceived it, try to add a new spin to the myth.

My problem comes when some people are taking everything out of context, trying to smother the original message and character motivations, or just the cohesive narration of the myth, to then put some clumsy feminist message.

Listen, I'm all for feminism and empowering women, to make our voices heard. I mean, I'm a woman so the opposite would be very counterproductive. But :

A. Many women in mythology are already interesting enough without our help. By being physically strong, enchantresses, or simply cunning, diplomatic forces, soft caring presences, protectors, etc... I could go on and on about why Penelope is such an icon, or why Leto and Demeter are amazing mothers, Hera's fascinating ambivalence and many more. Do they fit our modern perspective? No. Do they have to ? No.

B. I say "clumsy" because in some cases, they're more passive than in the so-called sexist myths so we can make the men into these evil figures that only seek harm. Listen, sometimes, I get it. Some figures were ill intentioned, others good and 99% of them in the middle. But if you won't see me defend Polydectes, I'm all for treating men like Perseus with respect and every deity with nuance (yes, even Zeus).

Now, are all feminist retellings bad ? Not necessarily. Though I didn't find any that convinced me probably because the advertisement itself is not my cup of tea.

Better adaptations that are ironically more feminist don't advertise themselves as such, or with buzzwords such as "revolutionary, world changing, sublime reimagining" but as a simple story of someone who loves mythology and poured some time to research. To respect the women in the myths and make their voices, not the author's, shine through the work.

Ofc, this doesn't completely apply to original stories with feminist messages. Since the context is chosen by the author and not some important cultural and religious findings, I'm way more lenient with those and won't complain. They can advertise their story with the words they want and can do absolutely everything they'd like.

Listen, ancient Greek norms could be misogynistic, I'm not gonna deny it one second. Women had way less autonomy. But if we want to get interested in an era, we kinda have to include the whole package, you know ?

Or, if sexism is uncomfortable to write, or for child friendly purposes, it's okay not to include it too much but one should at LEAST try to respect the original message and make the story fun. Not just cherry pick who's good or evil even though most of the time, neither fit.

Btw I'm not naming any retelling in this post because I really don't want to target any author. I may seem harsh sometimes but only want to criticize the works. They're probably lovely people irl and it's ultimately just some goober's opinion on the net. But I just don't agree with how they frame the myths.

Anyways, what are your thoughts ?

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theoi-crow

Tumblr has accidentally created a game I like to call:

"Is it Apollo/Hyacinth or Achilles/Patroclus?"
It's when you come across a very pretty picture of ancient greek guys, one is usually blonde and the other one isn't. I don't always get it right, because both Apollo and Achilles play the lyer and especially when Hyacinth is missing his iconic🪻so most of the time I don't know who it is and I have to check the tags ಥ⁠ ^ ಥ⁠ 
The worst part is when I really wanna show my spouse and there are no tags or no 🪻 so I go "baby, look at this picture of Apollo-Achilles with Hyacinth-Patroclus! Aren't they pretty?!"
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superkooku

I'll never get tired of this 🤣

Listen, the art is very pretty and all and I like both ships, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit I got them mixed up more than once.

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What other Greek mythology based books would you recommend

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Greek Mythology based books? Well, if you're looking for stories like PJO, I don't know-

But I would really recommend reading the Odyssey and Iliad, even translated versions of them with easier-to-read language. I would also recommend reading Euripedes' Bacchae and his other works like Medea.

The tagged people will be able to recommend more books like the ones I listed above.

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superkooku

Hey, @imaginelovelive I'd also like to know if you mean books based on mythology, adaptations or just the source material ?

Because for the latter, I either recommend checking out the website Theoi for shorter myths that are in multiple versions or simply reading translations of plays and/or epics.

For exp, Homer's the Odyssey and the Iliad, Nonnus for the Dionysiaca. Aristophanes for his comedies or the big 3 tragic playwrights Euripides, Sophocles and Aeschylus. Among them being the Bacchae and Medea that @cynicalclairvoyantcadaver mentioned, which are great for understanding figures that adaptations tend to portray badly. Also Euripides does a wonderful job in characterization, in my opinion.

For exp, Dionysus is often stripped of his more powerful and intimidating side, while Medea's actions are interpreted in multiple ways that may not reflect the original intention but a more modernist perspective (which I don't always agree with because the main message should be preserved, but that's my opinion).

Latin sources can also be very interesting if one wants a more complete knowledge of how these stories develop over time. We should just differentiate them from the Greek ones if the portrayals enter in conflict. That's why I dislike when Ovid's version Medusa is used in adaptations (especially because it's used all the time and I'm sick of it). However, I don't mind other latin sources that just add details instead of changing everything. These new details can add some fascinating meanings, even if they come from Ovid.

Though even for latin sources, Ovid himself is more biased, so it's best to be careful when reading his work.

For mythology-based stuff, that explains the mythology but being a second-hand source, it depends.

There's a series of books like Perseus by Daniel Ogden or Apollo by Fritz Graf that go over some figures of mythology in detail, one per book. I liked reading through them and they make up quite complete introductions to these figures.

One in another format I actually quite like is George O'Connor's comic series about the Olympian gods. They depict the deity with the full nuances they deserve (even Ares isn't demonized) and explore their stories. Also the artstyle is pretty cool.

As for adaptations, if I were to recommend accurate ones, there's honestly not that much of them. I know some fun stuff like Epic the musical or Hades but definitely recommend reading the sources first, Theoi or summaries if preferred, as both of these adaptations make a lot of creative liberties.

Edit : as @katerinaaqu gently reminded me, there are way more accurate adaptations out there. She talks about it on her blog :3

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margaretkart

The troubled boys, the doomed ones the ones that didn't want this fate.

[Orestes and Oedipus]

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superkooku

Ironically, we have the boy who loved his mother too much and the boy who hated his mother too much 🤣. Mommy issues all around.

Ok, jokes aside, this drawing really reflects their torment well.

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