Property talk:P779
Latest comment: 7 years ago by Jura1 in topic Unique value?
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Church of Sweden Pastoratskod
identifier for a pastoral district of the Church of Sweden
identifier for a pastoral district of the Church of Sweden
| Description | Pastoral district code (Pastoratskod) (Q10621603), an administrative level between Parish and Diocese for the Church of Sweden (the Church of Sweden is still not completely separated from the administrative division of the nation, but it will shortly in the future) | |||||||||
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| Associated item | Church of Sweden (Q749243) | |||||||||
| Data type | External identifier | |||||||||
| Domain | According to this template:
Parish of Sweden - parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsparish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980) | |||||||||
| Allowed values | \d{6} | |||||||||
| Example | According to this template:
100109 for Nora-Skogs församling (Q10601889)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsHusaby parish (Q627556) → 030708 Närtuna parish (Q2645671) → 010808 | |||||||||
| Robot and gadget jobs | Gather data from template "församlingsfakta" from field "pastoratskod" | |||||||||
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| See also | Church of Sweden parish code (P778), Church of Sweden ID (P5048) | |||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | |||||||||
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Single value, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Type “parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Type Q615980, SPARQL
Item “country (P17): Sweden (Q34)”: Items with this property should also have “country (P17): Sweden (Q34)”. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Item P17, hourly updated report, search, SPARQLAllowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Scope, SPARQL
Unique value?
editI believe this constraint should be removed, since there are many cases where there are several parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980) with the same Pastoral district code (Pastoratskod) (Q10621603). Or am I wrong, Innocent bystander? Ainali (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am far from an expert in the organisation of Svenska Kyrkan, but isn't this in reality a problem derived from that we do not have many real articles about Pastorat. That they instead are located in the Parish? And it is maybe only Pastorat who should have P779? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am no expert either, but judging from the Wikipedia articles it looks like Tingsås parish (Q10698282), Väckelsång Parish (Q10717102), Q10688993, Almundsryd parish (Q10406575), Q10562846, Q10725645 and Q10711099 all should have value 060113 for P779. Ainali (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like either this or the type constraint should be changed.
--- Jura 08:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)- My father was employed by a "pastorat", but he worked in several parishes. That is maybe the key to this question. A "pastorat" is a legal organisation, while the parish is more of geographic entity? @Yger, Tostarpadius: who also have or have had relations to "Svenska kyrkan" maybe can tell us more? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- There is a problem with the English terminology used for the Swedish distinction. One "pastorat" may consist of several "församlingar". Sometimes the first word is translated "parish" and the second "congregation". I do not know if that is correct. Tostarpadius (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Församling is the basic level of the Swedish Church. There also exist församlingsråd which have little actual power. Pastorat is in many ways a partical working body who empoloyes personell and which have several församlingar it supports. When a "pastorat" only supports one församling, no pastorat exist. Som pastorat is a mess, församlingar is not a mess.Yger (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds like the same problem as at Property_talk:P2788.
--- Jura 10:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds like the same problem as at Property_talk:P2788.
- Församling is the basic level of the Swedish Church. There also exist församlingsråd which have little actual power. Pastorat is in many ways a partical working body who empoloyes personell and which have several församlingar it supports. When a "pastorat" only supports one församling, no pastorat exist. Som pastorat is a mess, församlingar is not a mess.Yger (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
- There is a problem with the English terminology used for the Swedish distinction. One "pastorat" may consist of several "församlingar". Sometimes the first word is translated "parish" and the second "congregation". I do not know if that is correct. Tostarpadius (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- My father was employed by a "pastorat", but he worked in several parishes. That is maybe the key to this question. A "pastorat" is a legal organisation, while the parish is more of geographic entity? @Yger, Tostarpadius: who also have or have had relations to "Svenska kyrkan" maybe can tell us more? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like either this or the type constraint should be changed.
- I am no expert either, but judging from the Wikipedia articles it looks like Tingsås parish (Q10698282), Väckelsång Parish (Q10717102), Q10688993, Almundsryd parish (Q10406575), Q10562846, Q10725645 and Q10711099 all should have value 060113 for P779. Ainali (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)