Bowlmania said:

Purdue falls to 1-11. IU goes to 11-1 . . . and the College Football Playoff!

Purdue 10
IU 41

Go Hoosiers!

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Depends on how much we want to win by. We could run this up to 70-7 if we wanted.

IU Spittoon-&-Bucket-Having Hoosiers 45
Pur-doo-doo 9

All the hand-wringers can breathe a sigh of relief. CFB Playoff goers.

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IU 42
PU 0

It took three losses to Nebraska last year for me to wake up and smell the coffee. In football I had an epiphany when the Hoosiers were blown out by Iowa.

HoosierJimbo89 said:

It's like catching a wide open touchdown,
But you're out of bounds because of a bad paint job.
And isn't it ironic, don't you think?

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Need some engineers to design that better.

Enjoy your time, hopefully the game is an uncompetitive as expected. I'd like to watch a game in lafayette sometime too.

Bucket Getter said:

Might be one of the classiest things I’ve seen from him.

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As opposed to saying “I wish they all were dead”

BradStevens said:

The way Jesus wanted people to act towards each other seems counter to the very human nature you think is unchangeable, though.

There are a lot of verses in this link, for example, that you seem to be arguing are exhorting people to act against human nature:

Bible Verses about Selfishness and Self-Love

What does the Bible say about Selfishness? Scripture offers profound wisdom on the topic of selfishness. We are warned of the temptation and perils of being selfish rather than generous and helpful to our family and neighbors.

www.biblestudytools.com

I think the teaching of these verses to people for thousands of years as the gospel has inculcated people to believe they should act unselfishly more than before they were taught. I think the notion has so permeated society (nearly all of them, now, even the non-Christian ones) that it really has changed how people think and act. Note I'm focused on actions, not urges or instincts. And I think that if we changed, and had a society teaching for thousands of years that one should only act selfishly, then far less actions that we now consider unselfish would occur.

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My argument isn’t so much against that idea, much less its objectives. My argument is that it’s not possible, and the consequences of believing it is have the effect of moving us farther from, not closer to, those objectives.

Christ implored his followers to be charitable, because I believe he understood that man’s nature is bent towards his own best interests.

Like Christ, we should implore people to make selfless acts of will. We should not design a society or public policy around the idea that they’re going to do this in the manner, or to the magnitude, or with the consistency, that they would need to in order for such a societal vision to bear the fruit its designers seek.

People do make selfless acts - all the time. But it’s foolish to think we can manipulate human nature the way you’re suggesting.

If you want a charitable and compassionate society, build a prosperous one. And the way to build a prosperous one is by harnessing the core human spirit and drive…mostly by getting out of its way and ensuring that the incentive structures for building wealth through successful enterprises are sound.

Quit worrying about inequality. Our Gini may be roughly equal to Ghana’s. But there’s a helluva lot more to those two stories than can be gleaned by that metric.

NOMORENIT said:

For God sakes, leave Woodson and the team alone. They got thumped. Lot of turnovers, missed shots, and shitty defense. Good wake up call for this group. We'll be OK. I guess the requirements for this site is you have to be 45yo and above and have nothing else in your life to do than bitch at Woodson and the team......

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Mrs. Woodson, maybe you should stay off the boards after a game like that.

In all seriousness, this is not Saturday morning YMCA rec League ball. These guys should play with heart no matter what. The fact they are collectively making millions and still not putting out an effort is coaching.

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crazed_hoosier2 said:

I am.

And I think Christ understood that human nature required him to implore people to do acts of charity - which he (notably) believed should be done as acts of considered will rather than compulsion (which is why I’ve always been amused at the notion that JC was a socialist…or liberal…or whatever the saying is). Christ never advocated having people’s property taken from them and redistributed to others - by the church, the state, or anybody else. He advocated people giving to others of their own free will.

I’m not promoting selfishness here. If you’ve gotten that impression, then I’ve done a poor job explaining myself. I’ve long been active (both in time and treasure) in numerous charitable activities. I bet I’ve given away more money than I’ve spent on the houses I’ve owned and lived in.

I’m merely recognizing human nature as I see it -explaining my belief that it’s more or less immutable, and arguing that making public policy that is rooted on changing it or on it being something other than it is…is not only futile, but is almost certainly counterproductive.

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The way Jesus wanted people to act towards each other seems counter to the very human nature you think is unchangeable, though.

There are a lot of verses in this link, for example, that you seem to be arguing are exhorting people to act against human nature:


I think the teaching of these verses to people for thousands of years as the gospel has inculcated people to believe they should act unselfishly more than before they were taught. I think the notion has so permeated society (nearly all of them, now, even the non-Christian ones) that it really has changed how people think and act. Note I'm focused on actions, not urges or instincts. And I think that if we changed, and had a society teaching for thousands of years that one should only act selfishly, then far less actions that we now consider unselfish would occur.

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Might be one of the classiest things I’ve seen from him.

IUFANBB said:

My Dad graduated IU Dental in 1950 & has been supporting IU athletics for over 80 years.

We had to rush him to the emergency room Wednesday night - bad common cold..

Yesterday was not looking good. He was pretty non-responsive yesterday until the end of visiting hours.

He started talking a little & asked if he could get the IU game on that TV?

He has bounced back some today.

I have never anticipated a kickoff this much before. Go IU!!

BRB - 87' IU Business & 88' IU Chemistry

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They drained a bunch of fluid around his lungs, & he seems to be moving in the right direction. He is excited about the Purdue game. But todays IU basketball game did nothing to lift anybody's spirits.. That game was not part of his recovery process.

Indyhorn said:

Please tell
me it was Weekend at Bernie’s job to track the foul to give, it honestly would explain so much

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No. That’s asking too much from that dude. It was one of his 3 crack recruiting gurus. You remember them…the ones that can’t actually recruit.

I grown to consistently recording the games so I can fast forward thru commercials, halftime, and shitty basketball. The second half of today’s game took me about 7 minutes to watch.

abraxis said:

My dad’s dental training was interrupted by his call to service in Korea, too. The government called it their V-12 Navy College Training Program.

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My Dad just got his Quilt of Valor for his service in WWII this past May at the South Bend VFW, but my Uncle Bob got his Quilt of Valor 2 weeks ago at his home in Warsaw for his Dental service in the Korean War. He spoke for about 30 minutes on all the different travel between clinics & doing military dental work all the way till the end of the war. I bet that they knew each other.

JohnsyRick said:

I like how you cherry picked the last 2 weeks, for the record, I’ve seen some of your predictions for our other games, mostly negative and wrong. But hey, I don't make predictions, and you are free to think whatever you want. I just don’t understand your constant Eyore approach.

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I went back and looked at my other predictions for this year--I'm 8-3 picking Indiana games (straight up). So I'm not totally negative on this team (I'm just two off their actual record)--but the last two I was really close to the actual score.

I've been a lot more negative in the past--but CTA gave me lots of reasons to do that. Unfortunately, I may need to start being a lot more negative about the basketball program. Sheesh.

Bucket Getter said:

Pretty confident that’s one of his assistant's primary responsibility.

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Please tell
me it was Weekend at Bernie’s job to track the foul to give, it honestly would explain so much

One other response to your question about faith, charity, and selfishness.

(BTW, I want to be very careful not to conflate self-interest with selfishness or greed…these are two different things. Acting out of healthy self-interest implies that the other guy is made whole. Acting out of selfishness takes no account of the other guy. Important distinction).

Back to My Man Mitch again. Second time I’ve referenced it. But it’s relevant here.

Daniels hits on something really important here. Nobody can afford to be very charitable if they aren’t first tending to all of their own needs - and some, if not most, of their wants.

This gets back to self-interest ultimately being very good for such things as charity. Most of the names you see at the top of the giving charts are people who make lots of money - and likely live pretty boffo lifestyles, too. But they also give a lot of money to charities…and I would suspect the charities and their beneficiaries very much need and appreciate it.

SRIV94 said:

For the record, I've been dead on in my last two Indiana picks--I picked us to squeak by MICH 27-24 (we won 20-15) and to get beaten soundly by OSU 35-17 (we lost 38-15) and that we'd plummet in the CFP rankings (we fell from 5 to 10, and would've fallen below 12 had ALA and MISS not lost too). A little credit where credit is due.

It may not be the old Indiana to us, but it is still Indiana to the committee, with the worst brand name of any of the at-larges. That doesn't get fixed in a year. A squeaker (as I expect) will put us out of the playoff and into the Citrus against a snubbed-SEC team.

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I like how you cherry picked the last 2 weeks, for the record, I’ve seen some of your predictions for our other games, mostly negative and wrong. But hey, I don't make predictions, and you are free to think whatever you want. I just don’t understand your constant Eyore approach.

I don’t really care what the committee does, and it’s a BS political committee anyway. All we can do is take care of business, if the best we can do against pu is your prediction, we don’t deserve to make the CFP anyway.

BradStevens said:

Out of curiosity: are you a Christian? If so, how do you square all this with Jesus's life and the teachings of the Bible against selfishness?

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I am.

And I think Christ understood that human nature required him to implore people to do acts of charity - which he (notably) believed should be done as acts of considered will rather than compulsion (which is why I’ve always been amused at the notion that JC was a socialist…or liberal…or whatever the saying is). Christ never advocated having people’s property taken from them and redistributed to others - by the church, the state, or anybody else. He advocated people giving to others of their own free will.

I’m not promoting selfishness here. If you’ve gotten that impression, then I’ve done a poor job explaining myself. I’ve long been active (both in time and treasure) in numerous charitable activities. I bet I’ve given away more money than I’ve spent on the houses I’ve owned and lived in.

I’m merely recognizing human nature as I see it -explaining my belief that it’s more or less immutable, and arguing that making public policy that is rooted on changing it or on it being something other than it is…is not only futile, but is almost certainly counterproductive.