I work for or provide services to the Wikimedia Foundation, and this is the account I use for edits or statements I make in that role. However, the Foundation does not vet all my activity, so edits, statements, or other contributions made by this account may not reflect the views of the Foundation.

My current project involves facilitating discussions about the Universal Code of Conduct policy draft, especially in relation to enforcement and conflict resolution. You can share feedback with me here on my talk page, via email, or at a community venue by adding a notification. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2021‎

could you have a look at what Iniquity is doing to translations of the Universal Code of Conduct? [1] and [2] for example. Thanks, Vexations (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's nothing to be concerned about, it seems. I saw some diffs that looked like text was removed, but it's all still there. Vexations (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for looking into it, Vexations. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Vexations: We have some material available for translation, if you know anyone who is interested (Perhaps Iniquity?) Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Also noticed JustB EU helped translate some nl material. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF), I'm not sure that I want to participate in this, as the group responsible for the code of conduct completely ignores the discussion. Thanks. Iniquity (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your response Iniquity. I want to understand correctly: when you say the "completely ignores the discussion", are you referring to the still-open questions or comments made about the Policy text? I'm following along closely, collecting and organizing the inputs provided there so that they can be considered in the development process. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your reply! I'm glad that at least someone from the team reads the comments there. It's just that for three months there was no comment from the team.

> that they can be considered in the development process.

Is it possible to find out which process you are talking about? Will the policy text be changed to be translated? Because at the moment it is impossible to translate it. Iniquity (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Iniquity: The UCoC project team does follow along the discussions closely, and comments & suggestions on the Policy text page do inform our efforts. We appreciate all the work everyone has done to this point going over the latest version and determining which parts will be difficult to apply in other contexts. I will work on a longer post describing the development process for the Meta talk pages.

The current phase is about writing the application and enforcement sections while exploring the practicality, enforceability, translatability, and applicability of the policy text. These concerns could be highlighted in the section under "Managing Reports" / "Are there human, technical, training, or knowledge-based resources the Foundation could provide to assist volunteers in this area?" (@ru; @nl not yet started) that a given community is having trouble interpreting and adapting the Policy text to their project/language (perhaps linking to the Meta /Policy text talk page sections, or providing a comprehensive summary of the noted concerns).

Does that help? Also: could you confirm if you are talking about the Russian translation, the Dutch translation, both, or other? Any others that you are aware have particular concerns? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 19:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF): Thanks for the detailed answer. This has been sorely lacking in the past three months. Prior to this message, there was no information that there is an opportunity to change the text of the policy in the near future. Please tell us how the change will be carried out? And will it be carried out?

Considering that in your survey you talk about law enforcement, everyone is almost sure that the text of the policy is complete and cannot be appealed, and this is unacceptable since the text is terrible for a multilingual project.

> Also: could you confirm if you are talking about the Russian translation, the Dutch translation, both, or other?

All languages except English. Iniquity (talk) 13:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Iniquity: The Universal Code of Conduct is meant to remain subject to appropriate context. Could you look at Universal Code of Conduct/FAQ#Periodic reviews and Universal Code of Conduct/FAQ#Conflict with local policies (esp q12 & q16), and Talk:Open Letter from Arbcoms to the Board of Trustees#Comments from the UCoC Project team, and let me know if you have further questions? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF): Did I understand correctly from your message that the text can only be changed after a year? December 2021?

> (esp q12 & q16)

These questions not solve the problem. The text does not conflict, it is simply untranslatable. Iniquity (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF), hi, can you answer? :) Iniquity (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Iniquity: I noticed questions about the use of the word "expectations" as well as several other questions you asked related to terminology. I can try to get the answers to those questions, would that help move translation efforts forward? Information about the policy text change process is at the top of the Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Policy text page. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF)

> I noticed questions about the use of the word "expectations" as well as several other questions you asked related to terminology. I can try to get the answers to those questions, would that help move translation efforts forward?

"expectations" and "anglocentric text", yes. Get answers in three months, yes, that would be good. But this needs to be corrected in the text, since you will not be looking for hired translators for all 300 languages, will you? And in small languages, when policy begins, how will people understand what they have violated? Now there is absolutely no point in translating, because any translation of your text will be a hoax, since no one understands what it is about included the team.

> Information about the policy text change process is at the top of the Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Policy text page.

You mean "The UCoC will be refined during Phase 2 and reviewed again after the conclusion of that phase"? Iniquity (talk) 03:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've asked at nl wikipedia if people would like to have UCoC related material in Dutch. I got one reply saying that it is probably not necessary at all. English proficiency in the Netherlands is near universal. I think we can safely assume that everyone who is interested in the UCoC can contribute in English. Vexations (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Vexations: Thank you for your help on the translation and engagement with the community. I'm sure the translation will continue to prove useful, even if some also view the English version text. Since there is no barrier for the community conversation on NlWiki, the next step would be initiating a discussion on these discussion topics (@en, @nl). Each community might answer differently, which is why we have done it in this way ("hub-and-spoke"), even if local participants are fully conversant in English. We are committed to having input communicated in whichever language the local community feels most appropriate, so if NlWiki decides that using English is ideal, I have no concerns following the 2021 April-May NlWiki discussion in English. Please add to table and wikidata item.

I am also looking for assistance summarizing the earlier 2021 discussion, especially any items that provide input into the current structure (we would like to include diffs to the previous comments within the relevant 19 topics). Xeno (WMF) (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

[[File:Translation_Barnstar.svg|thumb|right|Dedicated to all the hardworking Meta translators helping achieve global collaboration. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)#top|talk]]) 19:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)]]

Current translation needs

1. Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Announcement Delivered 2020-04-05, feel free to translate and re-deliver as thought necessary
2. Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Discussion: these are the discussion topics for local communities to consider and provide input on
3. Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations: this describes the global consultations process

I noticed some contributors already started translating it without asking! So thankful for all the collaboration here. BChoo (WMF) is helping coordinate this effort. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I just want to thank all the translators that are working so hard on making the consultation materials available in so many languages: I'm truly humbled, and in awe at the collaborative process at work. I know BChoo (WMF) said the same in our meeting today: we really appreciate you all. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Xeno for facilitating the discussion. You write not being involved for anything related to the content. Could you please give information who / what department within the WMf is, or maybe an advising agency? What will be done with the comments, what is the status of the talkpage for further designing of the Code? Thanks, WillTim 2001:16B8:11E3:A801:59C3:BCE:6126:3E21 08:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello WillTim: please Wikimedia Foundation Legal department for details about the department structure. Community input on the practicality, enforceability, translatability, and applicability of the policy text is being invited as we move forward and will inform the UCoC project team reports, the Phase 2 drafting committee, as well as reviews of the text by the Legal department. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Xeno. Thank you for your work on the UCoC and its application. I am Triboulet sur une montagne, a member of WP:fr (and of the corresponding Arbcom). I am new on meta (so I have small technical difficulties with special operations) but I can help to translate documents in french (you posted a message for that purpose in WP:fr today). Feel free to contact me. Cheers Triboulet sur une montagne (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Triboulet sur une montagne: Thank you for the message and the offer of translation help! Since we have been able to obtain the French translations, right now the next step would be to double-check them and start a discussion at wp:fr using this page: Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Discussion/fr. We are hoping a trusted local user or user(s) would volunteer to summarize the discussion by 10 May so we can help inform the drafting committee. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Triboulet sur une montagne Use this link : https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Discussion/fr&action=edit to get a clean Fr text. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Ok thanks, I will have a look on that tomorrow (sleep time in Europe).

I think our project will discuss this point (trusted local user(s)) next days. One of our sysop have already created a local consultation on the UCoC last month. There were lots of discussions and we have materials to communicate. Before clarification about our trusted local user(s), feel free to contact w:fr:Discussion utilisateur:JohnNewton8 (the sysop), w:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Racconish (a previous member of the Arbcom and interested by the UCoC) or the Arbcom (w:fr:Discussion Wikipédia:Comité d'arbitrage/Coordination). Cheers Triboulet sur une montagne (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

That sounds good.

Yes, I followed along that discussion with great interest and would be happy to hear about the key insights from the community effort. I thought it was quite clever, the mapping of the the global policy to existing local ones.

Once the discussion on fr. has a location, please add it to the table and wikidata:Q106318421. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Xeno. While conduct is important, are there other values to commit to, such as transparency, freedom of knowledge, minimizing bias including minimizing effect of bias of sources, support of sister wikis, etc? What code are they a part of? --Gryllida 01:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Gryllida: I look to our Founding principles, keeping in mind that the UCoC would be subsidiary to the Terms of Use, where core movement values are highlighted. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

On Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Discussion page, it will be difficult to answer Global Questions#2 question, because it is not clear what it says. Local communities, especially outside the English language, are not aware of global projects. Can you tell us a little more, or can you rephrase it more simply? Global Questions-2: "identified"? What "projects" are mentioned here? What "review" did they do? "these" situations? Sunpriat (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sunpriat: Thank you for your question. I understand some contributors do not follow the happenings on other language projects. That's okay, since the question is not asked about any specific projects, more in a general nature: if, for example, there was a Wikipedia project struggling to meet the encyclopedic goal of a neutral-point-of-view, or any project where serious conduct concerns were not being addressed (or were caused), by the users administrating those projects. These could be projects struggling to uphold the Founding principles or Terms of Use. The question is: what is a safe and fair way for these types of situations to be reviewed? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

• Sunpriat Thank you again for starting w:ru:Википедия:Опросы/Консультация по правоприменению Универсального кодекса поведения (2021). Are you able to help provide a summary of the community comments so far? Also, further to your question above, I thought you might find this essay interesting. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  I'll try. Where will I need to post this summary? Few people wrote there - one or two. It is a little unclear how to summarize if there is only one comment from one person under a separate question - to translate his entire comment?
  As I said, many are not interested in (not aware of current events) external (global) projects. For example, the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy have a local presence on the wiki in the form of links that everyone always sees at the bottom. And this Code is perceived as something external, from another wiki, since links and presence are not visible locally in the wiki. This is probably why many do not feel such a connection of this code to them or to their Wiki, and hence it is not easy for them to answer these questions concerning external things. Sunpriat (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Sunpriat: Basically, I would like you to help me understand the ideas or thoughts that were put forth; brief point form is fine, also add any context that is required for someone not familiar with Russian Wikipedia to understand; see related discussion for German comments. I placed a section here for your analysis: Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Discussion#Russian Wikipedia. Your last point is very useful feedback, thank you for this. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Sunpriat: I saw your posting - this is excellent and we really appreciate the hard work you did here. I know it is difficult to summarize; I imagine even more so, to translate at the same time. I will ensure this useful feedback makes it to the drafting committee. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Thanks, squeezing out the essence of ideas turned out to be more time consuming than I thought at first. Sunpriat (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  I found the same, it takes longer and more energy than expected. Thank you again for organizing the local discussion, which is summarized at Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Discussion/Report#Russian Wikipedia. We tried to give a good representation of community thoughts and ideas, feel free to let me know if there is anything that needs to be fixed. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello from the Estonian Wikipedia. Thank you for this message on April 5th. However, you would get more input to your request if you could repost your message in English. --Vihelik (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Vihelik, thank you for the note about a more appropriate fallback language for Estonian Wikipedia. I am happy to repost in English but first wanted to see if you had time to translate into Estonian? (Unless I am to understand the majority also speak English?) We are also looking for a trusted local user to organize and summarize the discussions on Et.Wp, I’d you are interested or know someone who would be. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 11:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think it is necessary to translate working documents or any other projects in progress if the working language is English. Most everyone on the Estonian Wikipedia is proficient enough in English to participate. (I can think of only one Estonian Wikipedian with a similar skill set in Russian.) I can do the translation once the final version has been approved. --Vihelik (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Vihelik: Thank you for the community engagement help! I've re-written the message and look forward to reading insights from the Estonian Wikipedia community. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vihelik, if Russian is not the correct fallback language for the Estonian Wikipedia, then the default can be changed on the servers. It usually helps to have a discussion (at a village pump?) first. If editors decide that, both for themselves and also for Estonian readers, it would be better to use English instead of Russian, then we can make a request at phab: and get it changed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

es has no fallback language at all in MessagesEs.php, the line in the graph picture was incorrect. I have clarified the lines in the picture. Sunpriat (talk) 02:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I may have introduced confusion in this conversation using the term "fallback". Seems Et.Wiki was delivered a Russian language message because of our Mass Message sorting, not a setting. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

It sounds like a misunderstanding then, thank you for sorting it out. We had a quick vote at the Estonian village pump, all the participants unanimously wish to keep English as the fallback language for untranslated messages (if there indeed is one). --Vihelik (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Please avoid of massively using template:clickable button 2 especially inserting an image into NOT appropriate field for that like you done @ Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations (and it's subpages), as you did with, for example:

1=[[File:Community Noun project 2280 white.svg|40px|link=]]<translate><!--T:22--> View or translate discussion text</translate>

as it breaks using page internal links (on both external/internal link-type use inside above mentioned template) as it done, for example, here.

And please bear in mind it's better not to use template:clickable button 2 at all if you want to use images there, as it's not intended to use it (images) locally by default. Other way don't think someone (translators also) will search bugs resolution you set there with image included at button text field when'll see "page not working good".

Why not to just use text formating instead? Bold, italic, colored, CSSed, etc.?85.238.102.83 22:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, could you help me understand what the technical issue is? The buttons are meant to assist in engagement. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 22:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I don't mind about using buttons itself (if they'r not buggy), but it's obviously not good to use it with images "inserted" in the template:clickable button 2 text (2nd) field because it's not working right way.

Initial case is it(inserting image link to the text field)'s interfere (at least local ones as "#Participate" - used to navigate an editor exactly to same page section without page reloading as it done at your initial button version) links from being right way to be showed. AS I already mentioned, you can see here the next:

[#Participate

from the left of the button and link absense at [first] button itself. That happens because of exactly image inserted @ the template:clickable button 2 text field.

Other case connected to buttons use (I didn't check is it connected to image inserted to the text field or button template itself) is some way translation problem exists while using such button template, you can see here, as there's:

нижче!]

placed to the right of the [first] button just because I used "[можна]" clarification, I did often before while translation process using translation extension but till now didn't meet any problems, inside the button template, which "understood" it as the end of text field and "throw away" the rest of the text from the button itself. For example I do not want to translate anymore the text when I already aware of it being showed not right way because of using that buttons and/or image inside a button template text field. Think noone will be happy to translate the text if page is such way buggy. But, sure, you can do way you want and ignore my advice.85.238.102.83 00:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi I'm not ignoring the advice, trying to understand - though if possible, I'd like to avoid the pages having to go through re-translation if not needed and asked BChoo (WMF) to look at your comments. Pols12 may also have input, they have a good handle on what we are trying to accomplish with these pages (i.e. an easy way for local users to copy a localized version of the discussion topics to initiate a discussion at their local project). Maybe Trizek (WMF) can help us figure out how to make those click templates could function better without having to use an external link. I tried to copy the style at mw:Special:Diff/3237742 here without success. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

What you showed (a diff) is different template (with different field options with on my POV main difference is that field #3 have to become empty (...||...) if you use internal link and any other option - even setting another parameter but exactly on 3rd field - if external... such thing confuses but it is) of used by you. That is template:clickable button (that works little better as I saw but still didn't find it to be possible to use images, only default-listed icons).

I can help you to "port" template:clickable button 2 to template:clickable button on the page, but still not sure about using images... Try to choose icons instead please and I will do the rest.

If someone will fix such (above mentioned) issues with template:clickable button 2 I'll be glad to continue both translation and using buttons itself )85.238.102.83 01:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure we could try it

Add and see: ui-icon-arrowthickstop-1-s

View or translate: ui-icon-transfer-e-w

Copy discussion text: ui-icon-copy

Add local discussion: ui-icon-signal

(Open to suggestions) ^.^ Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Missed that message yesterday, however think that have no value today and will have one only later if images issue won't be resolved. However a good choice of icons ) At least it's much more different then "group of three people" image on every single button used. Really would be good to be implemented!85.238.102.83 19:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I think this could be a better way. I agree the "same image" isn't quite useful, and maybe it's better not to load images anyway if the icons will have a clean uniform look. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 19:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I haven't had a chance to sandbox this yet, 85.238.x.x. did you still want to take a run at this? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I can try. Do you want me to change it to icons you choose?85.238.102.83 22:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, if it solves the [ bracket ] issue , absolutely. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 22:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

It solves it partly, as you can read below external link breaks it (using []) too. But I can try and tell you later is it works with another template.85.238.102.83 00:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

As I told - button templates are too weird templates: while previewing an edits (special:diff/21366800, special:diff/21366801 -> press "Edit" link @Upright -> press "Show preview" button @Bottom) it looks pretty (blue-colored formatting with button icons are present), but it (button's both icons and blue colored formatting) "dissappears" after saving (Special:Redirect/revision/21366800, Special:Redirect/revision/21366801).

I give up on fighting with it (button bugs as it already out of only square brackets use issue) and will mostly ignore translations connected to button texts and button-templates use itself as it (button templates) have to be completely rewriten to be not so obviously buggy. I prefer to just wait for resolution to be provided by someone @ where user:Pols12 posted it below.

As of square brackets to use in template text field (button text)- it still not working when external link used as a target. AS it looks like nor in "clickable button" nor in "clickable button 2" template85.238.102.83 15:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

This is basic wikitext: you can’t use two right single quotes because this produces an italic text; you must escape it with nowiki. The same issue happens with brackets: you can’t use a closing bracket in an external link label because it closes the link; you must escape it with nowiki.

For {{clickable button}} icons, they use jQuery-UI which is deprecated for years! So we will not receive any support for this strange bug, unfortunately. I am reverting your change which fully breaks the buttons. Maybe we can implement some icons in {{clickable button 2}}, but this is not my priority for now. -- Pols12 (talk) 19:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you both for trying to work around the markup issue. Since these buttons are only needed for another few weeks, maybe it is better to work on a more robust template for the next time. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Despite it'll be no more needed for your nowadays task it still will be here and problem will still persist later, so it's good to be solved while "someone interested" (that time it's you and your text) and that way it can be tested in "working" (including a text translation process and possible corresponding bugs appearance) for some future tasks which (I hope) won't meet such buggy templates interference anymore. Yes it good to choose another ('more robust') template, but as it looks like - there's no any alternative template exists except that (CB2) [still] buggy one for today. Won't you mind we'll put things in order using as exactly your text as bug research subject? :)85.238.102.83 21:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Pols12, how had I guess it (about it's deprecated)? ;) Thank you for clarification (Pols12, it looks like clarification [most understood in comment but not so good in edit content itself: "Should"+"obsolete" without answer to "Why it obsolete and shouldn't be used?"] is our everything. And everywhere). However it still unknown why {{clickable button}} jQuery-UI still works while page preview. Is it (jQuery-UI) still valid there (@page preview UI) despite it deprecated at wiki main page view UI???

As of {{clickable button 2}} it looks like it've been using a jQuery-UI too and that's why can be some way affected. Anyway it's documentation looks extremely different from same on commons and have no "icon" template field description despite it's unknown does local CB2 template code have such icon field to process and operate with or no [what does {{#invoke:Clickable button 2|main}} means? where it links to? Where can I see a template code it wirking with?]. That's why I still think it to be the best to import same template from Commons [to be possible to use also the icons] as I told below [green checkmarked]. Or icons won't work even in {{clickable button 2}} and Commons similar template is not valid to be used on Meta?

Yep, that's ok you reverted it, I just wanted to show it doesn't work as it've seen in preview.85.238.102.83 21:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Finally, I have open a task anyway, because this bug breaks several pages. --Pols12 (talk) 20:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Addition - I've seen just right now - after writing whole my answer text - your description of template bug in newly formed phab request where you telling about Jquery UI turned on while page preview but turned off after saving, so my above question about [...view UI???] is obsolete now.85.238.102.83 21:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see you are saying that because you used a clarifying remark with a square bracket, and we are using an image inside a template, the clarifying remark is not compatible.

Is it possible to use round bracket instead of square bracket, so that your translation will work for now while we investigate other solution? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure it's possible (or not to use it at all as I already done there, but that distorts the original (untranslated) text meaning while both not using brackets at all or using round brackets on clarification because of round brackets is wide-used in original texts and usually reader won't be able differ the translate clarification from translated original text, that is obviously bad.85.238.102.83 01:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

For now I removed the images, does that allow your desired translation? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Will try now85.238.102.83 01:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Internal link changed ok (if you still do not understand why I did it ask me) but square quotes still not usable inside a button template... Will try to find out what is wrong. Don't you mind if I will change template:clickable button 2 to template:clickable button at original text if it will help?85.238.102.83 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Try it! Xeno (WMF) (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Dear IP, please be careful before accusating.

• Images have nothing to do with the issue you encounter. It is basic wikitext: [#anchor text] syntax don’t work, we must indeed use internal link syntax.
• Also, [http://link|text [with] brackets] will cause issues for sure: you should use <nowiki> tag to escape them. I mean [http://link|text <nowiki>[with]</nowiki> brackets].

Pols12 (talk) 02:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Dear Pols12. I wasn't accused anyone (meaning - the user), I just showed two examples when it (button templates)'s not working indeed with simple translations. I personally won't add that weird "nowiki" tags each time I need to use square brackets for clarification because that's too weird way even if it "resolves" button issue. And that's the case - to make page comfortable for translator and not a translator to do weird things to "make comfortable" a template:clickable button 2 to work. But maybe you will find who will be glad to be a "template servant" instead of you (or someone who wrote a template) to fix template not mix square brackets of different type of template fields). Template have to serve users and not vice-versa. Both images and "url" template field use (meaning external link use) are exactly the issues pointed above reasons.85.238.102.83 03:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Xeno (WMF), Before Pols12 made changes back I found an issue that breaks both in-page internal link use and square brackets "text field" use. In short, to make translation of buttons comfortable (including using square brackets) you have to:

• not to use images at template text fileds;
• not to use "url=" field name and therefore - not to use external links in buttons, - using internal links only instead as first template parameter, for example what was looked like here as:

{{Clickable button 2|1=<translate> <!--T:29--> View or translate discussion text</translate>|class=mw-ui-progressive|url=https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Discussion}}

and look like now here:

{{Clickable button 2|1=[[File:Community Noun project 2280 white.svg|40px|link=]]<translate> <!--T:29--> View or translate discussion text</translate>|class=mw-ui-progressive|url=https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Discussion}}

have to look like:

{{Clickable button 2|Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Discussion|<translate> <!--T:29--> View or translate discussion text</translate>|class=mw-ui-progressive}}

to use square brackets int the button text field without any doubts and issues.

Now choice is yours - to simplify buttons to not using both images and external links (but still using WMF-projects internal ones) or to search for translators who will agree to be a buttons buggy template servant - "playing" with "nowiki" tags to "fullfill the needs" (as "nowiki" use is no way template requirement according to it's documentation) of the template85.238.102.83 03:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Xeno (WMF), what is the purpose of last 2 buttons? Why do you need to link exactly to "edit" and "edit section 4" pages there. Case is that's interfere to change them to internal ones.85.238.102.83 03:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

One is to make it easy for someone to copy the source text without the translation markup (e.g. if one wants copy the Ukrainian questions to initiate a discussion, click that middle button), the other is to make it easy to edit the section to add the discussion. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay so now after a sleep, I think I have a good handle on the issue: I did not expect square brackets to get used in the translations, and some of the wiki-code gets broken with square bracket use. The work around is using "nowiki" tags, however this is considered a painful exercise. We could avoid the issue by not using images or external links, or perhaps we could work around with a better purpose-built template (maybe one using icons). Is that about right? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 12:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

1. AS I told above, you can do as you wish, but, sorry, I personally will not translate the text where's neutral point of view is ignored.
2. AS you correctly noticed using "nowiki" is just a "work around", I personally will not use wasting time on to only avoid template bugs, and not the problem solution. But if you'r sure there's many translators who will - continue that way.
3. AS of are you right about avoiding a problem using icons/internal links instead of images/external links inside a above mentioned current edition button template () or to fix current/write a new template () - YES YOU ARE, but maybe that would be even much better to just import here from commons a code of similar template where image can be added by setting exactly in a separate field, and that way not affecting a template text field by "image file"'s square brackets, that is not available at the current revision of same named local template()?

Anyway wish your text to be translated to all wordwide languages ))) Have a good day!85.238.102.83 13:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Can you help me understand what you meant by neutral-point-of-view being ignored? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Telling it I meant you revert all my changes to the text that some way violates neutral point of view policy as that's not a place for "one/only author/contributor"'s pages, especially at main space. But you already explained yor POV so that's ok now. At least till next misunderstanding [clash?].85.238.102.83 19:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I think just a misunderstanding; your changes were good suggestions, as these are broad questions that do sometimes call for clarification. Meanwhile, for timing consideration we had to eventually settle on the phrasing and launch the questions as they stood (we had certain translators standing by, etc.). I am happy to assist in clarifying the questions further as needed, if some meaning is lost in translating as has been seen above, where Sunpriat asked me some question, and then brought back my answer (in Russian) for clarity. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 19:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think I did the same now clarifying (exactly using a square brackets for that) what we told about:

• here: "...більш [складними, а які, навпаки,] менш складними..." meaning "...more [challenging and what, vice-versa,] less challenging...";
• and here: "...серйозного [на думку спільноти] переслідування..." meaning "...serious [on community's opinion] harassment...".

Did I understand right your above mentioned phrases clarifications?85.238.102.83 20:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that works - thank you! Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

← For now I tried the 'nowiki' solution since it seems the simplest solve for the instant (fixes the Ukrainian main consult page immediately). Let me meet with my team to see if there is a more robust way forward that won't require this undocumented use.

85.238.x.x I do really appreciate your translation help. As far as changes to the English source text, I understand your motivation while I don't want to add additional burden onto translators for copy edits, we've already asked a lot of all the wonderful translators. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 12:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You'r welcome. That's your choice ) My point is better to have text that is not needed to be ASKED to be translated but is pleasant to translate by anyone. But that's only my own POV. Good day. Again )85.238.102.83 13:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Considering 'ways to solve' I think I mentioned above enough about what you have to do best to resolve the issue completely85.238.102.83 13:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, just to clarify I have only implemented a temporary fix this morning while I wait for my colleague to implement a more robust solution per your suggestions. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your clarification ) I'll check it (if will any) later. Anyway I almost translated the whole text of that page and completed translation of it's subpage and will not mind if anyone will join and finish it )85.238.102.83 14:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Incredible, I can't say enough: #Thank you to translators! Are you aware if there will be a discussion launched on UkWiki with these topics? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I already placed a link to ukwiki local UCoC discussion before but later deleted it because of obvious things.

I think it [local discussion] won't [start], because two months ago when local community was noticed about UCoC and clarification was made about it can be discussed exactly here locally clarification was momentarily deleted (possibly because most of local community think anonymous contributors are not worth to contribute or to have/post own opinion) and in a month the topic was sent to archive still uncommented by anyone. Later (a week ago) it looks like you started a new UCoC-related topic, but still - there's a silence. My POV they'r not interested in implementing an UCoC as (from my own long-term experience) they do not want to strictly follow the policies and therefore to have someone who can punish them for that from outside of local project where they are "on the throne" and therefore, in fact, because of that being untouched even if they violate a basics of WMF-policies - position - they like very much and don't want to lose if (or when?) UCoC will be implemented globally. I bet (my own POV) there will be no any local discussion or that will be formal (to show you the fact it was) by a narrow circle of people, mostly an WMUA-members, but not wide discussed exactly publicly - by anyone and not only by local WMF-affiliate members or only registered members (not even talking about unregistered contributors as there[at ukwiki]'s, in fact, "no rights" for such group of contributors, nor [frequently] for edits, nor [almost always] for opinion posted to any discussion), as if they [local community] would want to discuss publicly the UCoC that'd already had place there a couple of months till today. But it's not.85.238.102.83 15:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the background, I wish there was more engagement. Now that the Discussion topics are translated, maybe there will be more input? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I doubt on it as about two months ago when local community was noticed about UCoC and appropriate (exactly it's about subjected) local-languaged discussion possibility UCoC overview, UCoC discussion and UCoC text was already fully translated mostly by me and nothing happens. But... Let's wait and see what (and if) happens there towards it in near future85.238.102.83 19:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

For information, I have open a task to request support for image in wikilinks. -- Pols12 (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, will wait for result )85.238.102.83 15:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Xeno (WMF), AS of your that revert - it was not good, as my previous page changes did not contain any "code" changes but only clarification/fix of ambigious explanations. You've better careully reviewed what you reverted and return changes back as they are crucial for right questions meaning understanding. That's a quite normal practice on meta to make page text clarifications time to time,- you can assure it in by looking history of Universal Code of Conduct page. Because what I see now on both created by you pages I translated you are clearly ignoring what is called neutral point of view reverting ALL made changes. That is not good. Especially for you as WMF...Employee?85.238.102.83 15:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

85.238.x.x just to clarify the purpose of these pages: I have been asked to source seek answers to these key questions (asked in this way) from the communities. Some of these discussions, are already ongoing, e.g., at RuWikinews, EnWiki, RuWiki, ZhWiki, etc.

It is preferable that the questions be asked in the same way. Does that explain why I undid those changes? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Not at all. When discussing something that's a very important to NOT have disambiguation in terms or, that case, questions. For example, can you answer a questions I asked here or here in edit comments? I don't think one(s) who was asking you to "source" (ehm... as not native english-speaking person I have to ask - what does that word here means as I don't see a meaningful logic with next word here?) answers to key questions meant to ask comminuties about:

• how to make appointment appropriate reports harder ("What types of changes would make it more ... challenging [don't think ones who asked that means exactly how it understood - how to make reporting HARDER] for users to submit appropriate reports?");
• or wished to ignore towards ordinary (that can be designated by different communities on different levels, that is ambiguation itself) harassment communities opinion (What is the best way to ensure safe and proper handling of incidents (I) involving vulnerable people; including (II) serious harassment [how is exactly 'serious' one have to be defined unified by different communities?]; or (III) threats of violence cases?)

and you can ask them back about "what did they mean writing it in questions" and clarify it later in original text by your own. Such your some questions clarification action will NOT HARM discussions BUT will HELP to receive from different communities unambiguous and clear answers for exactly unambiguous and clear questions (which are not like that right now). But, for sure, that's only my POV. I think it's right. You can think it's not (that way you can not to answer). $)85.238.102.83 16:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's actually phrased that way on a community suggestion (changes based on feedback). When someone suggested me to ask "how to make it harder to submit reports", I questioned it at first as well. Their reasoning was sound: users might not be able to tell me what will make it easier for them to submit reports. But there's a good chance they can say what would make it harder for them. That feedback ('if you do this, less useful reports will be submitted') can be a helpful guide on what not to do. Does that make sense? I did try to explain that in the edit summary.

Ordinary harassment is not ignored: it's addressed in other topics, that particular question is meant to speak about those specific subsets. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Consider: Some projects might have mature structures, where even serious harassment is traditionally dealt with by local processes. Meanwhile, smaller projects may have limited administrator coverage, perhaps enough to handle most harassment issues where anything the community considers serious, a desire could be expressed for additional support. The definition being left to the community can be seen as feature, not bug. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see now from your description that both questions expecting as an answer for a local communities' value judgments, and from that side I agreed it's formulated right. However, to estimate something's value there have still to be (exist) examples to estimate it's:

• more report-challening change;
• less report-challening change;
• is it 'serious' harrasment or not,

anyway, on my POV, you should to change (if only talking about that 2 phrases) it like at least:

• separating "more" and "change" words (as it's not clearly understood now and "neutralizes" each other and reader understand just "What types of changes would make it challenging...") to soething like "Which types of changes would make it more challenging, AND which ones [will do it] - less challenging, for users to submit appropriate reports?";
• clarifying (maybe with additional sentence) what's exactly meant under the term 'serious harrasment' (at least couple of key examples to unify) will exclude ambiguation and, as a result, exclude different appraisal of same cases and vice-versa - same appraisal of different cases (which can be expressed, as I told above, as what one local community can consider a serious harassment and another one - not, but just a joke - you won't receive different local communities assessments' of identical issues to compare and/or summarize it, but instead you will receive some chaotic POVs about some any way not defined issues communities will come up with themselves that they personally considered a 'serious harassment' you are not defined key examples of such ones for them initially),

to be clearly understood by a translator, who will transfer exactly her/his own your original text phrases understanding in further text translation that will be read mostly by exactly whole only-languaged community before and while discussion, you want to receive answers from.

And - thank you for you clarification. I agree it[phrases]'s [formulated] right, but I would clarify it a little bit more in a text itself. But won't do it, leaving the opportunity for you to think about it and do if you will consider it necessary85.238.102.83 19:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

moin xeno, the Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations take place until may 31, right? regards --Christoph Jackel (WMDE) 08:08, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Christoph Jackel (WMDE) technically, the consultations were meant to run until 5 May, however if there is still ongoing discussions beyond that date, the input provided will still be taken in by the team and used by the drafting committee. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's only because I just announced this on deWP and was not able to find an exact date. Does it make sense to reduce the announcement to May 15 or keep it as is? May 5 is a bit short. Cheers --Christoph Jackel (WMDE) 10:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Christoph Jackel (WMDE): It should be fine for input to continue to arrive into late May, there are no hard cutoffs or deadlines for answering these questions and we can still forward useful suggestions throughout the drafting committee's tenure. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 10:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Great, thanks --Christoph Jackel (WMDE) 10:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Xeno. Can you by any chance help me mark this page for translation ? Les sans pagEs/Report 2020 ? Thanks Anthere (talk) 23:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Anthere: I marked it for translation however there is probably still some splitting of translation units that needs to be done to make it easier to translate. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ok Xeno. I will have a look and will be back to you if needed. Thanks Anthere (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Xeno. There were some significant changes made to the page, that do not appear active in the translation system. Can it be updated please ? Thanks Anthere (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, you’re all set! Xeno (WMF) (talk) 20:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Do you feel this falls within the domain of the UCOC? The harassment which could result from second-order effects of an article with subtle NPOV flaws could be significant, even though they may not be as easily observed (especially regarding identity issues like race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc). I left a comment in the neutrality feedback (which I just noticed you "thanked" already). Hoping to join the other roundtable tomorrow. Thanks again for your UCOC efforts. Zukisama (talk) 05:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Zukisama: there was some material on implicit bias and intersectionality included in a recent training workshop for admins and I know it was on the agenda for the drafting committee. There are some provisions at Universal Code of Conduct/Policy text#3.3 – Content vandalism and abuse of the projects that might apply and certainly we can discuss further in the round-table. French Wikipedia discussion summary (among others) actually raises this as a point of concern, expressing that such delicate content decisions should remain subject only to local content policy. Could be a good point for debate! Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the fast response as always Xeno (WMF) Great to hear about the training and discussions in progress. I'm familiar with 3.3 of the code but had not seen much discussion about NPOV relating to topics which are prone to harassment. Good to hear it's on the table! Zukisama (talk)

I made it through a good part of the SuSa training content. This is a great resource. Thanks again for sharing this. If there is still time to contribute input, I would be happy to share some additional ideas on the the "education as enforcement" concept that came up towards the end of last week's round table. Would the UCOC discussion wiki still be the best place? Zukisama (talk) 06:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, feel free to share additional thoughts to that page. Glad the resources are useful! Kbrown (WMF) will be happy to hear. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Great! Ideas added here. They are somewhat lengthy. Happy to edit / post elsewhere if these should live somewhere else. Zukisama (talk) 02:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

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I'm collecting some pages related to the Movement Charter that would really benefit from wide translation:

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• Movement Charter/Drafting Committee/Announcement 2021 07 27
• Movement Charter/Drafting Committee
• Movement Charter/Overview
• Movement Charter

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Hi Xeno,

Can you explain the second "enforcement" in the sentence "Code Enforcement is the prevention, detection, investigation, and enforcement of violations of the Universal Code of Conduct." To me, "enforcement of violations" sounds like the opposite of what we aim to achieve. Maybe this is just a simple error, so it seemed wise to consult the original editor first. --MarcoSwart (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

MarcoSwart: Thanks for reviewing. I didn’t actually write this text, it is the product of a committee. I noticed some others queried this as well, at Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_draft_guidelines_review#enforcement_of_violations; input will be provided to the drafting committee. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Dear Xeno, I have corrected the francophone version Code de Conduite Universel/Revue des directives de mise en application as it was entirely written in the masculine form, which constitutes a misgenderiong of all the francophones wikimedians not identifying as masculine. Kind regards,Nattes à chat (talk) 09:32, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nattes à chat: Thanks for your kind efforts here, and sorry for my late reply - I think I forwarded your comment at the time. FYI, input is being sought again about revisions to the directives: Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Revision discussions and Universal Code of Conduct/Policy text/Revision discussions. (cc MarcoSwart also!) Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hello Xeno (WMF) Looked for the link in the wrong place... Recording or recap of the session available? Thanks, --Msbbb (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

The summary is not available yet; watch m:Special: MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Roundtable discussions/Summaries for an update soon. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Xeno, The message "Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting committee is now open" as posted on Dutch Wiktionary contained two Lint errors. They have been corrected, but my guess is we won't be the sole recipient of the message, so I thought it appropriate to inform you. Keep up the good work! --MarcoSwart (talk) 06:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

• PS The posting above contained a similar error, resulting in unexpected formatting of my posting, so I took the freedom to correct it too. --MarcoSwart (talk) 07:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

MarcoSwart: Ah, it looks like I forgot to mark for translation after I added the closing div. Thanks for the note.

Do I understand correct in that using the wiki code syntax for italic is considered a lint error? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 11:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Not if there's just text or other inline elements in between the pairs of single quotes. So in this case I could have put the <div>-tags outside the quotes. But once we start to use those tags to format the content, it makes sense to use its style-property. --MarcoSwart (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

MarcoSwart: thanks for bringing this to my attention, and explaining. Your ears must have been burning because when I dropped by Nl.Wiktionary I thought to myself: I should visit Marco :) Xeno (WMF) (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well, I view my task as moderator to be a good host to all fellow editors, so in a way you did . --MarcoSwart (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Xeno, Would you please consider pushing Movement_Strategy_and_Governance for translation please? It's fresh on its new location, congrats (: Or shall I look somewhere else to find the bigger picture of the governance side of the Movement Strategy? My intention is to support those applying to Grants/hubs who wish to see what the Movement Strategy and Governance means bound together. Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 18:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Omotecho, it's marked now - thank you for your interest! However, apart from the page title (which apparently needs to be translated for the page to display translated content?), the content is actually within some templates:

• Template:Wikimedia Foundation Strategy and Governance/Main
• Template:Wikimedia Foundation Strategy and Governance/Welcome
• Template:Wikimedia Foundation Strategy and Governance/Cards

Great to hear from you. We really appreciate your ongoing assistance. I hope this message finds you well. Please let me know if you have any questions, as well =) Xeno (WMF) (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Xeno, gosh, you are super fast *|(^0^)/* Done, and now I see how the tabs are linked. Maybe a bonus to have the header input a <languages /> and tvar tags, please, but not that super fast if you have to-dos ? (; Dōmo arigatō in advance. My pleasure to do a little and keep reading free knowledge -- Omotecho (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Indeed, the translation pages are created as soon as at least one unit has been translated. For this kind of “full-template” pages, the only existing unit is the page title.

But having all contents in templates seems me a strange pattern: this should imply that the whole content is readable elsewhere, so the page would be useless. In fact, I am not sure Welcome and Cards templates will be used elsewhere, so they could be page content instead of templates. -- Pols12 (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello, @Pols12: just wished to convey big thanks from translators as ever. Things are much much better/easier for us with two of you d(^o^)b Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 19:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Lots of love from Manipur and Manipuri Wikimedians! I still remember your kindness! :-) Haoreima (talk) 07:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Could you do the things to make this final? Sorry for the inconvenience. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Xeno, could you segment/cut this particular translation original for a Q&A set please? Of course we group sentences Q vs A, a infinite couple, however, for translation memory, shorter the better which translators' will gain chances to be supported in more occasions with the same phrasing/pattern of sentences. 20 words per segment is ideal, up to 40 wds manageable, but over that threshold, it gets very hard to match paragraphs manually: Actually that particular page is a great source for jawiki brain storming before the ratification vote, and so thankful for those opened a discussion, made summary and shared to the community. Hope I am not asking too much, cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 13:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Omotecho really great to hear from you - and thank you for your help translating this page. I'm so happy to hear this page is useful - I've updated the translation units so it should be more manageable to translate. Since YShibata (WMF) had also done some translation - some text may need to be moved into the new translation units. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, @Xeno (WMF), very helpful that smaller/shorter the translation segments you chopped up for us, that we can match specific terms accordingly across documents. Done Yes, I liberally matched existing translation targets with gratitude to everybody reading them; I have dropped a note on relevant jawiki Villege pump, at a particular thread that editors can come and contribute their knowledge correcting / check transliterating ready ja sentences.

Superstition needs to be corrected: that even on UCoC themed documents, users' translation help is needed, whereas, that working on Meta does not squeeze your gut so badly as long as we move forward wiki-way. More hands and eyes would go great distance. (: Omotecho (talk) 02:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Omotecho, @Xeno (WMF), I'm going to use this page as a part of reply at the Japanese conversation hour 4 hours later! Many thanks! YShibata (WMF) (talk) 09:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Xeno. Can you add the - translate - template to this heading? Thank you. --Victor Trevor (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Proofreading en-ja translation, I see independent voters rather strange to the context of the whole page. Would it mean individual voters? Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi Omotecho: we took this language from the Board elections page (so we could use translation memory), and yes, it is meant to mean individual voters [per wiki]. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I see, and thank you always to advise me birds' eye view of our movement, case closed for me. Cheers, Omotecho (talk) 01:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Also appreciate your sharp eye! I have entered some translations here, however I would appreciate your kind review: Template:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Header/ja Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

pls confirm I renamed the link to a verb form, as users/voters proceed to cast their vote. So we are set, and ready to collect ratification ! d(^o^)b

FYI, Our small team of translation support towards 7 March 2022 has covered maybe ~60% of voter info pages, pls see my edit history for talk_Omotecho/sandbox/somesome; scoping to cover links to 2018-20 recommendation, but a bit ambitious. We will be shifting towards wider topics on UCoC, which will call for our Governance team facilitator @YShibata (WMF) to meet ends: I see their discussions drive at jawiki have found great insights. Cheers, Omotecho (talk) 05:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Dear Xeno,

Thanks for the information in De Kroeg (Village pump at nl.wiktionary). Is there an explanation for the necessity to scrutinize the vote for two weeks? In most civilized countries keeping voting results secret for weeks after voting ended would present a reason for scrutiny by itself. If there are indications to suspect that the election has been compromised, shouldn't the movement be informed? And if there are no indications to suspect anything was wrong, what is taking so long? --MarcoSwart (talk) 10:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

MarcoSwart: I’m not sure if there’s a good page on Meta-wiki that describes what is involved in the scrutineering process, so I hope it’s okay if I link w:en: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2021/Coordination/Instructions for scrutineers which outlines the process that usually does take a week or two and occurs in most SecurePoll votes to check for irregularities. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 10:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

(talk page stalker) @MarcoSwart - The "srutineers" can only view information about the voters, but not their vote. You could think of it as examination of security envelopes for mail-in real-world elections, where every vote is a mail-in vote. Their only choice is to accept the envelope or reject the envelope. Only once this is done are the envelopes opened (the election is locked and the votes are decrypted) and the votes counted. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Xeno (WMF), @Xaosflux, Thanks for providing answers to my questions. I wasn't aware of this information. A page on Meta might be a great idea, especially when the aim is to have Universal codes and guidelines. I feel unable to write such a page myself, but maybe we can put this idea to someone who has some knowledge and experience with this particular voting process. --MarcoSwart (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@MarcoSwart a starting place may be wikitech:SecurePoll#Duplicate_removal - what is going on is primarily ensuring that duplicate votes are not made, with some additional work being in checking that the voters met their suffrage requirements. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for reading. Xeno (WMF) 02:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

What is the point of having link to the "Voting" subpage in tab1 and then in tab3? IMO tab1 does not make sense then and should be removed and, optionally, tab2 should be renamed to "Main". --jdx ^Re: 23:11, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Jdx, you're probably right. I think the original idea was for the "Main" to lead to the most-relevant ongoing page. Now that the voting is passed the "Main" link should probably point somewhere else. Let me check with my colleagues to see where it should lead instead. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I have a question I need to ask a Wikimania organizer (I posted here https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimania but don't know if anyone will see it). How do I reach someone? 209.239.101.153 00:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

You could try posting at Talk:Wikimania_2022. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I posted there. 209.239.101.153 00:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

This seems like Zeno's election process, so I'm asking you... :)

• What's up with this analysis committee? Seems like a lot of work -- with a lot of facilitation -- for a purely informational result. Shouldn't something like this be self-organized by community groups? What does it mean to have a single 'analysis' of each candidate rather than a plurality of them? Why (in the motivation for the decision) are we doing this, in addition to pointing people towards a voting-advice tool?
• Shouldn't we be talking more about the affiliate vote process? All of these pages about the 'analysis committee' have supplanted any discussion of the affiliate vote (which is meant to be informed by that analysis); presumably the affiliates again should plan to discuss candidates and choose a slate of 6, and there should be some cross-affiliate discussion of how to organize this and share the results.
• The business of paying for facilitation of core community governance always troubled me, and seems like it could easily be scaling in negative ways: including the social division between [people doing that work] and [people socializing whatever the current barn-raising effort is across their projects], and including the likelihood that essential decision-crystallizing-planning starts to happen off-wiki rather than somewhere that everyone who cares deeply about it can follow and shape it. I'm curious how you think about this, as I trust your perspective and you're much closer to it than I. Will the movement-strategy facilitators become permanent periodic contractors? –SJ talk  14:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Warmly, –SJ talk  14:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Ha, love the reference =) though I may yet not be the best to answer as it is the Board/Election Committee that decides. The analysis committee is discussed more here. I'll also forward your thoughts above.

For anyone wondering what we're talking about: the analysis committee for Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022 is called to review statements by the candidates and collaboratively consider the desired skills and experiences sought by the Board in this election.

More information about the affiliate voting process on SecurePoll using Single Transferable Vote will be posted soon, though affiliates could organize discussions about how to inform their voter at any point. We are thankful for the work of many dedicated election volunteers who are helping with these efforts - if you know anyone interested, please let them know!

All the best, Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Xeno!

Maybe you have some extra free time to try and help with this rabbit hole? I wanted to get some help about something but didn't know where to ask and by asking somewhere (most likely the wrong place) that created even more problems. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Klein Muçi looks like because Ask_a_question doesn't have a translation at Ask_a_question/sq, compare to say Ask_a_question/es - feel free to make it! — xaosflux ^Talk 14:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Xaosflux, I'd like to help in that direction but I'd still need help about automatic user page archiving here, which was what started this. :P (And also in deleting the page I accidently created.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Klein Muçi I deleted the page Bëj një pyetje for you. Yes, SpBot can do usertalk archives here on meta-wiki. Use Template:Autoarchive resolved section to set it up on a page (examples on that page). — xaosflux ^Talk 18:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

An interesting rabbit hole, Klein Muçi: the translated string was being passed as the link target, which is why it sent you to create a redlinked page. Thanks for finding this and pointing it out, fixed in Special:Diff/23369400. (Ask a question still does not yet exist in sq; however, as xaosflux hints - thanks for the assist, you can be that change =) Xeno (WMF) (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Xaosflux, @Xeno (WMF), thank you both! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

hi. i would like to volunteer to help with publicizing the elcection. please feel free to be in touch. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I have a proposal for a new navbox, which I have posted publicly. I would like to move ahead and make this navbox official within the near future, but firstly I would like to invite some community feedback. Please feel free to review the proposed navbox at the talk page shown below, and feel free to leave any comments or feedback. thanks.

• Link to talk page to comment on this draft:
  • Talk:Wikimedia Forum
• Link to proposal for new nav box:
  • User:Sm8900/index/drafts/navboxes/wiki_info

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

RamzyM (WMF) 01:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

I work for or provide services to the Wikimedia Foundation, and this is the account I use for edits or statements I make in that role. However, the Foundation does not vet all my activity, so edits, statements, or other contributions made by this account may not reflect the views of the Foundation.

I oversee staff support functions for several volunteer committees, including Affiliations Committee, Ombuds Commission, Arbitration Committees, and the Case Review Committee. My team works to ensures these groups have access to the support they need to operate smoothly. You can share feedback with me on my talk page, via email, or at a community venue by adding a notification. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

• Wikimedia Summit 2022: The Drafting Committee will present three brief drafts of sections from the Movement Charter for discussion at the Wikimedia Summit on 10 September. The drafts will also be posted publicly on Meta.
• Movement Charter video: The Committee and the MSG team created a short video (~8 minutes). The video briefly explains what the Movement Charter is, and introduces the Drafting Committee members. This video was streamed during Wikimania.
• Learn about the Movement Charter Drafting Committee's work in August: The Committee released its regular monthly update from August 2022, including highlights about the Movement Charter drafting process and the upcoming Wikimedia Summit.

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• Movement Charter Drafting Committee's participation at the Wikimedia Summit: The MCDC members presented initial drafts of the three chapters of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values and Principles, and Roles and Responsibilities. The three chapters were prioritized to lay the groundwork for the rest of the Charter. MCDC members attended breakout rooms to discuss the progress with all attendees - both online and offline. The drafts received valuable feedback from the affiliates in many sessions. The Committee also launched a survey to gather feedback and suggestions on the Movement Charter development. Report for the Wikimedia Summit can be found here.
• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in September: The Committee released its regular monthly update from September 2022. It includes highlights about the Committee's progress in creating the Movement Charter content, results of the Wikimedia Summit, and an important announcement about membership.

Coming up:

• Community consultations. In November the MCDC will be organizing events to hear your thoughts on the first three drafts. There will be onboarding sessions for community members to learn about Movement Charter and ask their questions to the Committee members. Community members will be able to share their thoughts and feedback via open and anonymous surveys, along with Meta pages, MS Forum and email. Details to be communicated by the MSG team.
• Conference engagement. MCDC members will be attending the following conferences in October/November:
  • WikiArabia (28 - 30 October): Anass, Ravan, Reda will facilitate a discussion about the Movement Charter. Additional sessions include a conversation about the roles & responsibilities, and a conversation about hubs. .
  • WikiIndaba (4 - 6 November): Anasss will present a Movement Charter update.
  • WikiCon francophone (17 - 20 November): Anass, Georges and Reda will present a Movement Charter session.
  • WikiConNL (19 November): Ciell will present an Movement Charter update.
• Movement Charter Ambassadors Package. Individuals and/or groups from various communities will be able to get resources and support to help increase the engagement of community members in the Movement Charter. The details to be shared by the MSG team.

--15:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC).

• MCDC members attended the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions to provide more information about the Movement Charter, its goal, why it matters and how it impacts the communities. Recordings of the presentations in different languages can be found here.
• The Movement Charter Ambassadors Program: Movement Charter Ambassadors (MCA) are individuals or groups interested in helping to ensure that their communities are fully engaged in community consultations. MCA are interested in supporting their communities to understand the content of the Movement Charter as well as ensuring that their communities can easily provide feedback. Anyone can become a MCA! Dedicated funds are available to support the MCA and their activities. Are you interested in becoming a Movement Charter Ambassador for your community? Sign up here!
• The Movement Charter Drafting Committee will close membership: The  Committee decided not to add new members or replace those who step down after 1 January 2023, unless for exceptional reasons.
• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in October:  The Committee released its regular monthly update from October 2022. It includes highlights about the Committee's progress in drafting the Movement Charter content, its upcoming community consultation and participation at Wikimedia events.

Coming up:

• Regional feedback conversations: The MCDC’s community consultations to collect feedback on the first three sections of the Movement Charter will take place between November 20 and December 18, 2022. You are invited to join one of the regional conversations planned for the eight regions (and various languages) of the Movement. Please note that interested people can share their feedback in different ways, including on the Meta talk page, on the Movement Strategy forum, filling out a survey (anonymously) and sending an email to: movementcharterwikimedia.org.
• Sign up here to become a Movement Charter Ambassadors from your community and help ensure that your community is aware of the conversations around the Movement Charter! 

--13:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC).

• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in November: As usual, the Committee released its regular monthly updates from November 2022. This month’s updates include highlights about the external facilitator hiring, next in-person meeting of the Committee and updates about the new drafting groups, among others.
• First community consultation period: From mid November to mid December 2022 the Committee members took part in 8 regional feedback sessions. Committee members joined the sessions to provide clarifications and answer to questions that came from different language communities on the Movement Charter.
  • Recordings of the presentations shared during the regional meetings are available here for those interested.
  • A list Frequently Asked Questions that came up in the calls is available on Meta.
  • If you have not shared your feedback on the drafts of the Movement Charter yet, please do so by filling out this anonymous survey, which is open until January 2, 2023 and is available in more than 12 languages.
• The Movement Charter Ambassador Program received over 15 proposals. The ambassadors are currently putting their initiatives into action in various local communities. The Movement Charter Ambassadors Program will once again be opened for applications in the second quarter of 2023, in preparation for the next  round of Movement Charter consultations. Both individuals and organizations will be able to apply. Those interested in becoming Movement Charter Ambassadors are encouraged to sign-up.

Coming up:

• Community Conversations summary: The Movement Strategy and Governance team of the Wikimedia Foundation will prepare and publish the final summary report of the community feedback in January 2023. The report will be shared with the MCDC and the communities on different channels of communication.
• Feedback on the Movement Charter: There will be additional ways to engage with the Movement Charter content, including the early feedback on the proposed ratification process and a new set of draft chapters in the second quarter of 2023.

--14:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC).

• First Community Consultation: A concise summary of the community consultation on the initial three drafts of the Charter is now available for your review on Meta and on the Diff platform. In addition, you can read about MC Ambassadors are sharing about their experiences:
  • Highlights of the community consultation process, as well as about the Movement Charter Ambassador Program.
  • The Igbo Wikimedia community’s participation in the MC consultation.
  • The experience of Arabic-speaking community members.
• What’s next after the community feedback period? The Committee is currently reviewing the detailed feedback which consists of 59 pages of comments, in March the Committee will share their response to the comments. The detailed version of the feedback, which the Committee is reviewing, is also available on this Meta page.
• MCDC’s Virtual Working Session: The Committee gathered virtually from 3rd to 5th February to work on the drafts of the following new set of chapters of the Movement Charter: Global Council, Hubs, Decision Making, and Roles & Responsibilities. The Committee members worked in their smaller drafting groups first. The full Committee then convened, with representatives of each drafting group presenting the progress made so far, as well as about what type of support is needed for their future sessions.
• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in January: The update includes details of the meetings held by the Committee in the month of January 2023, stakeholder conversations, completed work as well as about the new drafting groups, creating glossary and independent legal review.

Coming up:

• Community feedback on the ratification methodology proposal of the future Movement Charter. The feedback was postponed until March 2023. The communities will be able to review the ratification methodology and share their early input on the open questions.  
• The MCDC will soon announce a “Call for Advisors”. The call will be an invitation for interested individuals with relevant expertise and knowledge to participate in drafting the Charter. Advisors will be considered non-voting members.
• Responses to the community consultation feedback by the MCDC. The Committee has been carefully reviewing feedback collected in the consultation from November & December 2022, and will publicly share responses to the feedback by March.  

--14:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC).

• Call for Advisors! Individuals interested to support the Drafting Groups or the Subcommittees of the MCDC in the role of an advisor can fill out the advisory application form by May, 2023. The MCDC will be contacting interested individuals on a rolling basis. Do you want to know more about it? Please read here for more information. The information is also available in Arabic, Spanish, French, Brazilian Portuguese, Russian and Chinese languages respectively.
• Movement Charter Ambassadors from the Latin America and the Caribbean region share their experiences of organizing community conversations on the Movement Charter. Please read the Diff blog in Brazilian Portuguese and in Spanish languages.
• Casual updates: The MCDC publishes regular casual updates after bi-weekly full Committee meetings, as well as after other drafting group and subcommittee meetings. If you are interested, please read casual updates here on Meta and on Movement Strategy Forum.
• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in February: As usual, the update includes information about the meetings held by the Committee in this month, as well as about the work that was completed and the ongoing work & discussions. The MCDC’s monthly updates are also shared on the multilingual Movement Strategy forum.

Coming up

• MCDC Responses to the community feedback: The MCDC published responses to the community feedback on the first set of drafts (collected during a consultation in November - December 2022). The response includes a Summary, as well as some specific responses to the full community feedback (highlighted in orange).
• Revised Movement Charter drafts: The MCDC will share in the coming month the revised versions of the first two chapters: Preamble and Values & Principles (including a newly-added glossary), and the revised Roles & Responsibilities intentions statement.
• Ratification methodology consultation: The MCDC is working on a new proposal (not available yet) for a ratification methodology. The proposal will be discussed through a community consultation process, including live meetings to provide feedback.

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--11:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC).

• Starting conversations on how to ratify the Movement Charter: The Committee invites the Wikimedia movement to express opinions on the proposed Movement Charter ratification methodology from April 10 to April 28. Everyone is invited to share feedback on the Meta talk page or the Movement Strategy forum. Two community conversation hours are planned to take place: on April 18 at 10.00 UTC and April 24 at 17.00 UTC. Please read the details here.
• MCDC’s responses to the community feedback are now on Meta: The Committee has shared a summary of their responses and next steps based on the feedback from the first round of community consultation which took place late 2022.
• What to read on Diff?
  • Learn more about the Movement Charter Ambassadors work: Movement Charter Ambassadors from the French-speaking community share their experience.
  • MCDC member Manavpreet Kaur has written a blog post titled “An excerpt from my life, movement, strategy and MCDC”.
• Learn about Movement Charter Drafting Committee’s work in March: the monthly Committee’s updates include information about the coordination efforts with Wikimedia Germany, update on membership, submission to Wikimania 2023, participation at the Wikimedia Foundations Board of Trustees’ strategic retreat in New York in March 2023.

Coming up:

• Revised chapters: The Committee is preparing to publish the revised draft chapters of The Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities intentions statement, based on the community feedback received in November and December 2022.
• Inviting advisors and experts: The Committee is preparing to welcome a number of advisors from outside the Committee. All interested Wikimedians were invited to apply earlier (you can still apply here!). Additionally, the Committee is planning and scheduling meetings with individuals with specific sets of expertise in various topics, including stewards, movement committees, Wikimedia Foundation and affiliate staff, and others.

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--19:18, 15 April 2023 (UTC).

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Hello,

As follow-up to the message about the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines by Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Vice Chair, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, I am reaching out about the next steps. I want to bring your attention to the next stage of the Universal Code of Conduct process, which is forming a building committee for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). I invite community members with experience and deep interest in community health and governance to nominate themselves to be part of the U4C building committee, which needs people who are:

• Community members in good standing
• Knowledgeable about movement community processes, such as, but not limited to, policy drafting, participatory decision making, and application of existing rules and policies on Wikimedia projects
• Aware and appreciative of the diversity of the movement, such as, but not limited to, languages spoken, identity, geography, and project type
• Committed to participate for the entire U4C Building Committee period from mid-May - December 2023
• Comfortable with engaging in difficult, but productive conversations
• Confidently able to communicate in English

The Building Committee shall consist of volunteer community members, affiliate board or staff, and Wikimedia Foundation staff.

The Universal Code of Conduct has been a process strengthened by the skills and knowledge of the community and I look forward to what the U4C Building Committee creates. If you are interested in joining the Building Committee, please either sign up on the Meta-Wiki page, or contact ucocprojectwikimedia.org by May 12, 2023. Read more on Meta-Wiki.

Best regards,

Xeno (WMF) 18:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

... because there was an obsolete HTML tag in the code: [3]. Please try again. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:17, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Erik Baas! I’ll have to check how many were missed due to this and re-deliver. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Updates:

• Charter Ratification Methodology proposal conversations: The Movement Charter Drafting Committee recently held the first conversations regarding the ratification methodology for the Movement Charter. The MCDC has received valuable feedback from different communities and the Committees during the community input period. The report of the community input will be shared in May, while the updated version of the ratification methodology will be presented between September and November 2023.
• Communication evaluation: The Communications sub-committee of the MCDC together with the support staff conducted an evaluation of the communications. The Communications sub-committee appreciates the time and input of the community members who shared their opinions during the interviews. Several recommendations are going to be implemented in the upcoming period based on the valuable input.
• Learn about the MCDC’s work in April: The MCDC continues to draft additional chapters: The Global Council, Hubs, Decision-making and Roles & Responsibilities. Alongside the drafting work, the MCDC is planning their in-person meeting scheduled for 2-4 June in Utrecht, Netherlands with the aim of advancing the charter's content.

What’s coming up?

• Participants of the WikiNusantara 2023 in Banjarmasin, Indonesia are invited to join a session on the topics around Wikimedia Movement Strategy and community collaboration on May 20. Ramzy Muliawan will provide updates, share about the Movement Charter Ambassadors Program and answer the questions.

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This newsletter combines content from both June and July, due to a delay in sharing out the previous newsletter.

Updates:

• New Movement Charter content published: The Committee published new draft chapters on the Global Council, Hubs and the Glossary. You are invited to share your feedback or ask any questions you may have to the Committee before September 1, 2023 on the following talk pages:
  • Share your feedback on The Global Council draft
  • Share your feedback on Hubs draft
• Revised draft chapters published on Meta: The Committee has shared the revised draft chapters: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities intentions statement. These revisions are based on the community feedback received in November-December 2022.
• Ratification Methodology community feedback: The summary of community feedback on the proposed methodology for the ratification of the Charter is on Diff.

• Listen to the WikiAfrica Hour #46: Africa and Movement Charter, where MCDC members Anass Sedrati and Georges Foudoup  talk about Movement Charter, its aims and objectives, and the relevance to the African community.
• MCDC member’s are busy participating in various community events to discuss Movement Charter. Manavpreet Kaur, a member of the Global Council and Roles and Responsibilities Drafting Groups joined the EduWikiConference 2023.  The MCDC support staff Ramzy Muliawan shared updates about the charter at WikiNustantara 2023 in Banjarmasin, Indonesia (@wikimediaid on Twitter). The Wikimedia communities in Indonesia were engaged by Movement Charter Ambassador Arcuscloud in the last round of community conversations.

• Learn about MCDC’s work in May & June: as usual, the update includes information about the meetings held by the Committee in this month, as well as about the work that was completed and the ongoing work & discussions.

What’s coming up?

• Join the live launch party: The Drafting Committee is hosting a launch party on July 30th at 14.00 UTC to celebrate the new drafts, introduce them to the community and give space for sharing thoughts and feedback. Register here to receive a Zoom link to the launch party.
• Movement Charter Community Conversation grants are open for individuals or groups who want to organize conversations about the Charter content. Talk to us if you need any support on the MS Forum! Apply for a grant before Jul 30, 2023.
• Wikimania 2023: Wikimania 2023: Members of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee are excited to be attending Wikimania Singapore in August, to speak to and hear from you in person (and hybrid) about the four drafts and the Charter in general.
• Community events: MCDC members will be present in the CEE Meeting in September in Georgia to discuss the Charter content with the CEE and CA communities. In addition, the MCDC prioritizes participation in the conferences planned for 2023 to continue conversations on the content of the Charter with the communities: WikiConvention Francophone, WikiWomen Camp,  WikiIndaba Morocco, WikiConference North America, GLAM Wiki Conference, among others.

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--12:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC).

Updates

• Community consultation: The community consultation on the Global Council, Hubs, and the Glossary drafts is ongoing. We value your input, if you have not already, please take a moment to review the draft chapters and share your thoughts with the MCDC. We’ve posed open questions we would like your opinion on. Feel free to engage in a way that is most comfortable for you and your community. Learn more on our Diff blogs about the Global Council and Hubs.
• Launch Party: On July 30 we hosted a Launch Party to share the Global Council and Hubs draft chapters. It was an inspiring event where we had the opportunity to listen to your feedback and address some of your questions. If you missed it, you can catch the recording on YouTube.
• Community Conversations: We want to hear from as many people as possible. On July 16, the SWAN meeting opened its doors and offered an opportunity to interact with the MCDC members regarding the new drafts of the charter. Notes are available here. On July 28, a regional conversation with the Francophone community was held. Here comes a short summary here in English and French. Additionally, on August 2 we had a fruitful conversation with the LATAM region.
• MCDC’s Work in July: As usual, the update includes information about the meetings held by the Committee in this month, as well as about the work that was completed and the ongoing work & discussions.

Upcoming

• Join the MCDC at Wikimania: Whether you’ll be at Wikimania 2023 in person or joining virtually, there are a few events that we would like to invite you to. Please drop by for a casual conversation. We would love to connect to workshop any ideas together. Drop in, get a sweet treat, and share your thoughts with us! Register and see below for an overview of our time together:
  • Tuesday, August 15
    • 02:00 UTC: Movement Strategy & Governance Connection track - Welcome and opening (Room 325)
    • 05:45 UTC: Movement Charter Drafting Committee: Open office hour (Room 326)
  • Wednesday, August 16
    • 03:15 UTC: Role Play the Future Roles and Responsibilities in the Movement (Room 326)
  • Thursday, 17 August
    • 03:15 UTC: Movement Charter Content Discussions (Room 310)
• A regional call tailored for the MENA region will be conducted in Arabic on September 2 at 17.00 UTC. Kindly indicate your interest to attend this meeting.

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MCDC Support Team, 23:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Xeno, I am also sort of lost in the garden of forking paths...Is there anywhere an archive of past cases? And how and where to file a case or an issue I couldn't find an answer to either. I suggest to put such info at a very prominent place at the UCOC/FAQ. I am interested in filing some sort of case discussion since months, but I'd be interested in reading the discussions of a case first. I was sock-blocked for 8 uncontroversial edits a few years ago in the German Wiki and I appealed twice, but to no avail. As for me it should be possible to edit after some break where one was successfully contributing to other wiki-projects.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Excuse me Xeno, if you could cost some of your free times, then should there have some responses to Luka, which some of their comments are really contesting Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation Assessment-2021, especially its 3rd item "Encouraging the affected...re-align with the practices of other pluricentric languages..."? I'm afraid that this looks like asking a recall and re-consideration of this assessment page, that whether this item is fair for Montenegro users, and more and more users from this sovereign state calls for a potential withdraw of this assessment item which they consider "invalid, implied bias and political implications, the deniers of the existence of Montenegrins as a nation, caused civil wars in 3 nations, bringing your impartiality, pushing a forceful assimilation agenda...". Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

This question is probably one for the language committee. I helped with the publishing of that report, though I was not the one who made the recommendations. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

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You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.

This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.

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Hi @Xeno (WMF) @RamzyM (WMF), two French contributors, one an admin on fr-wp are trying to vote antd the system tells thme they are not entiltled with the following messages :

1. internal errorruntime exeption
2. you are not entitled to vote

Why is this happening ?

Warm regards, Natacha LSP (talk) 11:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is under investigation at Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024#Internal error, thank you for the note. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply