Art-top

Hi, nice to see you here. Wikidata entries are supposed to refer to conceptual entities, not just to a group of Wikipedia pages, and it is not yet settled whether we should allow entities that only refer to Wikipedia categories like Q15217. See Wikidata:Project_chat#Categories - I think there is a more detailed discussion somewhere but I cannot find it. --Zolo (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you for your comment. Hard for me to read the discussion in English (do not know much), so I will refrain from creating category pages. --Art-top (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Art-top, there is a problem with different items connected by interwiki linking. Please see here. --Media watch (talk) 06:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I do not understand what the problem is? There was a conflict interwiki, I fix it. --Art-top (talk) 06:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

You didn't fixed it, you mixed it ;) 1) A society (organisation) is not the same as a book. Interwiki linking does not always connect the same item. 2) If you empty an item, it would be helpful to make a redirect or a Request for deletion. If Ana Ivanovic (Q42345), a Serbian female tennis player, turns into the American science fiction magazine Analog Science Fiction and Fact linking to Wikidata will be like playing roulette. --Media watch (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

This object is used in other wiki? It has links to other pages? No. Any critical actions I did not commit. Was an unused object, I changed the description to another object. Such actions are not desirable (see topic below), but, in this moment, is not critical. If you wish, you can nominate a page for deletion. --Art-top (talk) 17:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have replied to you at WD:RFD.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks! I answered in the same. --Art-top (talk) 07:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • I have replied at RFD again.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi, it's better that we don't reuse items. See Wikidata:Project_chat#Recycle_pages_instead_of_deleting. Regards --Stryn (talk) 10:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

  OK. --Art-top (talk) 10:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

[1] - я там понаставил немного лишних шаблонов. чтобы бот обновил и сделал их сразу в современном виде, а не как он делал раньше. Судя по многочисленным дублям - он пробегает по базе каждый раз, так что не потеряются. ShinePhantom (talk) 07:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Понятно :) А я удивился, думал метки поставлены по ошибке. --Art-top (talk) 08:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi, please see the message I left on your bot's talk page. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 11:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hello! I said on the bot talk page. --Art-top (talk) 11:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Replied. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 11:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I left a message on your bot's request page. If you are still interested in running your bot, I'll approve it if anyone doesn't find anything else wrong. Techman224^Talk 03:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Yes, of course I'm interested. Thanks for your support! --Art-top (talk) 04:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

The bot flag has been granted. You can use your script on it without spamming recent changes (you seem to have 133,991 edits on this account :) ). Techman224^Talk 00:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! I will try to minimize the number of edits :) --Art-top (talk) 12:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hello Art-top,

Can you add Russian name her - Noble family.

Thanks. Geagea (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Unfortunately I can not immediately find the translation. --Art-top (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Art-top, please add new properties at Wikidata:Property proposal. For portraits, for example, we have already properties like Commons media file and image. --Kolja21 (talk) 06:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

What to do with a portrait, I do not know, can be removed? Other properties that I created (related to astronomical objects), I added to the given page. --Art-top (talk) 07:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Может у Вас будет возможность пройтись по ним роботом и добавить свойство Property:P31 = Q3863? Спасибо.

Из подобных задач - для городов можно установить страну (если робот может следовать статьям из категории в Википедии).

EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Такая мысль приходила в голову самому, только, мне кажется, лучше добавлять более точные определения, поскольку астероиды делятся на классы (см. ru:Спектральные классы астероидов), классифицируются по типу орбиты (см., например, ru:Транснептуновый объект, ru:Дамоклоиды, ru:Спутник астероида). Задача получается достаточно сложной, а у меня как раз сейчас будут очень сильные ограничения по времени :( В любом случае требуется модификация и отладка скрипта. Вобщем, предложения принял, буду работать в этом направлении. --Art-top (talk) 17:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Мне кажется, что будут иметь смысл и общее и подробное определение. Например, кому-то может понадобится список всех астероидов, а кому-то в пределах типа. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 04:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Property:P31 находится в подвешенном состоянии, поэтому будет лучше не добовлять :-) --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Может, Вы уже и знаете, что для астероидов появилось Property:P196. Также можно импортировать named after из статей использующих w:en:Template:Infobox planet как Property:P196. Конечно же, если будет время :-) --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Спасибо за информацию. Сейчас добивается база по астероидам, потом, возможно, займусь свойствами (их всё равно придётся вносить отдельными правками, вместе с метками/описаниями их не добавить). Кстати, мне ещё не понятно, что для астероидов ставить в свойстве Property:P107 - встречал как варианты и "концепция" и "географический объект". А времени, на самом деле критически не хватает. Хорошо если удаётся запустить бота и несколько раз его проконтролировать за вечер. --Art-top (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Думаю, что лучше посмотреть на мнение более компетентных участников :-)

Кстати, сегодня, кстати, были добавлены свойства-строки, которые можно использовать для номеров астероидов в каталогах.

EugeneZelenko (talk) 04:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hello Art-top

Regarding your edit on Q25344, please have a look at Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/DrTrigonBot. The alias is needed to link to automatic bot update to that page (look at Talk:Q25344 also) and the Sandbox-String is the dummy output since at the moment no property like "Currency exchange Rate" or similar exists yet. Thanks, enjoy and Greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Ok. --Art-top (talk) 15:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, please read the discussion at WD:STOPTHEBOTS, and if you could, stop your bot. Thanks! Legoktm (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

• I'm sorry, I saw a message just now. Today, my bot will not work. --Art-top (talk) 04:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Please see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/6#next_.28previous.29_element_.2F_.2F. --  Docu  at 08:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks. --Art-top (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, my bot changed all the wrong GND types (term) for asteroids into geographical feauture GND type. It's currently working to change every asteroid item on WD. Sorry for my past mistake. --Viscontino (talk) 18:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, very good! No one is immune from mistakes :) --Art-top (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Please immediately stop editing, only approved bots are allowed to edit on Wikidata (excluding userspace). If you would like to file a request for a flag, please go here. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 11:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hello! This is a test run before the request bot flag. --Art-top (talk) 11:09, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Ello! That is perfectly understandable. Try to keep it smaller (under 500 edits if possible) since this trial run hasn't been approved. Thanks for contributing! -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 11:25, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • If you do not mind, I run a bot to correct names of personalities. He worked for a few wrong, I need to correct the situation. After that, I will file a request. --Art-top (talk) 11:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi there! Per a request I have been working on a new informative bot list (that has secretly been hidden under the current list at Wikidata:List_of_bots. I think I am finished and it would be great if every botop (including you) could add your bot to the new list. I have added Addbot already and tried to make the template simple! Goodluck and if you have any problems get in touch on my talk page! ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 20:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, are you sure that asteroids are "places"? I think that the best main type (GND) property for asteroids would be "term". --Viscontino (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think you first need to make it into the public debate and the community with a positive decision to make changes to the Wikidata:List of properties. --Art-top (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Go ahead and make the deletions at your own. ;-) Vogone talk 23:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the suggestion. But perhaps not now. --Art-top (talk) 10:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have restored Q91488. Cheers. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 23:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. --Art-top (talk) 10:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, on item disability (Q12131) has too long Russian description. See Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Error_in_Q12131. Could you write it shorter? --Stryn (talk) 06:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

•   Done. --Art-top (talk) 07:04, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Art-top. Thank you very to add the constraints of properties of astronomical objects! :-) I have a doubt about the constraint inverse of the properties parent astronomical body (P397) and child astronomical body (P398) that you just added. In fact for simple objects (e.g. extrasolar planetary systems), it is very useful, but if we want to use these properties for asteroids or for nebulae and clusters of the Via Lattea, the "inverse relationship" could become ingestible. What do you think? --Paperoastro (talk) 13:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, never thought of that. It seems to me that the asteroid relative to the Sun and similar cases to use any separate binding. While the connection child -> parent will break. --Art-top (talk) 14:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, good solution. ;-) --Paperoastro (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6052-2

Hi, Art-top! I'm trying to organize the "item" to classify astronomical object. In my Paperoastro/sandbox I made a tentative of classification: I'd like your comments! ;-) --Paperoastro (talk) 21:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC) P.S.: concerning your question of astronomical databases, I reply you on my talk page.Reply

• Unfortunately, I will refrain from commenting as do not know much astronomy and English :) I will follow the discussions. To my untrained eye the table looks logical. By the way, in the processed asteroids item everywhere I pointed P60 (P60) = asteroid (Q3863), including for trans-Neptunian object. I can change for trans-Neptunian object P60 (P60) = trans-Neptunian object (Q6592), it is not difficult. Just do not understand that in this case, to indicate in property minor planet group (P196). --Art-top (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC) Your answer about the base I have seen, thank you! But I still was not engaged in a script. --Art-top (talk) 22:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

For trans-Neptunian objects, I will find out information. For minor planet group (P196), my idea is organize items as I'm making for P60. ;-) --Paperoastro (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property JPL Small-Body Database SPK-ID (P716) that you supported is available now. Please help out with other science identifiers at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term#Chemistry_.2F_Chemie_.2F_Chimie and Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term#Stratigraphy. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property Minor Planet Center observatory code (P717) that you proposed is available now. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property asteroid spectral type (P720) that you supported is available now. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property OKATO ID (P721) that you supported is available now. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property asteroid family (P744) that you proposed is available now. --Tobias1984 (talk) 22:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property OKTMO ID (P764) that you proposed is available now. --  Docu  at 16:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

There seem to be issue about me creating properties like the above, please see Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:Docu_and_the_property_creator_permission. --  Docu  at 18:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry, I do not quite understand in English, and translate.google.com not cope. --Art-top (talk) 19:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Art-top. Why do you remove interlinks to NGC 153 (Q5081112)? --Paperoastro (talk) 10:35, 10 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ok, I understood your reasons, but you cannot remove interlinks and leave some Wikipedia articles without item in Wikidata! Wikidata must have all the articles. You are right: some Wikipedias have duplicate articles, but, to delete the item, we need to remove before the articles! My idea is to add to these items only the property said to be the same as (P460) to the "main item". See for example NGC 1455 (Q986246) and my comments in the deletion page request. --Paperoastro (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

• In the four language sections I replaced articles by redirections: [2], [3], [4], [5]. In one of them my editing has been rolled back: [6]. --Art-top (talk) 06:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

you had a great idea to replace articles by redirections! :-) unfortunately you said that some Wikipedias did not like it, but this is a good way! --Paperoastro (talk) 10:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

It appears this is not a good idea, although most of these articles mindlessly created by bots. While I like experimenting not venture to repeat. Probably better to agree on such action in the language sections. --Art-top (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Yes, you are right... it is difficult, but it is better discuss in every single section! --Paperoastro (talk) 11:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Just so that you are aware, Paperoastro has opposed three of your requests at WD:RfD. Please feel free to respond to their concerns to work out if they should be deleted or not. Thanks. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I answered on the page Requests for deletions. Thanks for the warning. --Art-top (talk) 07:27, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately SIMBAD database has some error concerning the identification of NGC objects! Please, remove from the list of your bot, that import data from SIMBAD, NGC 21 (Q34500) (see discussion page). Thank you very much ;-) ! --Paperoastro (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

•   Done --Art-top (talk) 21:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

For the same reason it is better do not to use SIMBAD also for NGC 1223 (Q1042245) and NGC 1225 (Q1042256) ;-). In this table I'm making the list of items with the catalogs do not to use for them. --Paperoastro (talk) 13:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm not going to run a bot to process NGC. First teach him to understand said to be the same as (P460) and P107 (P107) = Q11651459. --Art-top (talk) 16:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

By the way, here many duplicates of NGC objects. --Art-top (talk) 16:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

These two objects I add to the exceptions. --Art-top (talk) 16:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Good! Thanks for telling me the constraint violation page! :-) --Paperoastro (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Art-top, there is a problem with the names of some stars! For example, you imported catalog names for HD 88981 (Q2490237) using the name "M Carinae", but SIMBAD has "m Carinae" and does not distinguish them! So HD 88981 (Q2490237) (M Carinae) and HD 83944 (Q2608737) (m Carianae), have the same catalogs names! Here there is the list of these objects. Is there a manner make the correction via bot? ;-) Thanks! --Paperoastro (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

• This is a big problem. Bot is based on the title of the article and the titles of the articles always begin with a capital letter (visually, you can add a small letter at the beginning of the name in the language section with special templates, but it's just a visual change). I'll add an exception to the bot does not touch the articles with a single Latin letter in the beginning. --Art-top (talk) 06:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'd like to make a proposal for a property "SIMBAD" to use as source. I need the main link that you use to import the data. Can you give me it, please? Thank you very much! --Paperoastro (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

• The main part of the link: http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=
• then the title of the article, for example: http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=HD%20215114
• To reduce the problems I replace "¹" => '1',"²" => '2', "°" => " ", " " => "%20", "+" => "%2B", as well as the use, if possible, cut the official names of the constellations and Greek letters (example: "Trianguli Australis" => "TrA", "Andromedae" => "And", "Gamma" => "gam", "Mu" => "mu." (in SIMBAD two-letter Greek names are reduced to the name with a dot). Example: name HD 215114 convert to http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=HD%20215114, BD+20°2457 convert to http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=BD%2B20%202457, Pi Andromedae convert to http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=pi.%20And. Replacement " " on the "%20" is optional, but if in name present plus sign, there is confusion as SIMBAD plus perceived as a space; replacement full names with abbreviated as optional. So that link http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=Pi Andromedae will also work fine. You can also see finished recording with links, for example, here: 14 Aquarii (Q530426). --Art-top (talk) 07:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
• Since we started talking about the properties. We have no properties "star name" or "the Latin name of a star". For example Rho2 Arietis (Q2718974) in SIMBAD has 3 names not associated with catalogs: RZ Ari, rho02 Ari (or rho2 Ari), 45 Ari. They have no place to indicate. --Art-top (talk) 07:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you very much for the informations! You are right: is more simple use the URL property.
• Concerning names: "RZ Ari" is variable star designation (Q593448), "rho02 Ari" is Bayer designation (Q105616), "45 Ari" is Flamsteed designation (Q111116). We have two alternatives: use also for them "catalogue code", or propose three new properties for these names. What do you think about this? Some objects have also a "proper name", but is better to wait the multilingual strings datatype.
• catalog (P972) has been created. We can use it as qualifier of P528. Is it feasible? --Paperoastro (talk) 15:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

• I think the use of "catalogue code" is better suited. About catalog (P972) - my bot can not add qualifiers, I will "teach" him. --Art-top (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Also for me the use of "catalogue code" is the better solution. --Paperoastro (talk) 09:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

I made the addition of qualifiers, example: IC 5378 (Q13084670). --Art-top (talk) 13:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Good! :-) --Paperoastro (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC) P.S.:for 2MASS you can use 2MASS (Q1454942) ;-)Reply

For merging items, you can try the following tool: Merge.js gadget. It makes it much easier to do, and easier for the admins to check and follow up your nominations. -Cycn (talk) 12:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you! I use this gadget but in the past nominations I do not merging elements, they become empty after changing in language section of a single element to redirect. Sorry for bad English. --Art-top (talk) 12:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
• In addition, the gadget that does not work well with redirections. --Art-top (talk) 12:18, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • Redirections should just be deleted, not merged. So you're right not to use it for them. Just use it for real merges. -Cycn (talk) 12:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Could you remove from the list of your bot NGC 21 (Q34500)? The identification of SIMBAD is wrong (see this discussion! Thanks! ;-) --Paperoastro (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I offer my apologies! All exceptions have been made, but due to a bug in the program, they were ignored :( Now corrected. Thanks for the help! --Art-top (talk) 21:56, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry! :-) --Paperoastro (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

It's a shame that a glitch in plain site - comparing "Q123" with "q123", and, of course, always get "false". --Art-top (talk) 22:19, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I removed it because there're already value type=Q6999.--GZWDer (talk) 13:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

• For astronomical bodies is used the property P60 (P60), rather than a property instance of (P31). --Art-top (talk) 18:25, 3 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

The property asteroid taxonomy (P1016) that you supported is available now. --Paperoastro (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Art-top, following this source, Hilda group (Q1753240) is a group of asteroid and not a family. The difference is small, but its origin is different respect to usual asteroid families. ;-) --Paperoastro (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the comment, I will consider! --Art-top (talk) 22:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I see that your bot has added follows (P155)/followed by (P156) minor planets.

How far has you done? I have just created an article about (336756) 2010 NV1, and it looks like I am first in Wikimedia with an article, but I fail to see if there is any WD-item about it. -- Lavallen (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

• Do bot common database for all articles about asteroids. Articles on the close asteroids (336756) 2010 NV1 yet. Wikidata element created and insert in the database. Now rewrite bot engine, will run it later. --Art-top (talk) 03:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Если у Вас будет время, Вы не могли бы пройтись по категориям и шаблонам русской Викитеки и составить список страниц (без элемента Викиданных), которые имеют такое же название в Википедии и элемент Викиданных? С категориями годов только разнобой - в других разделах ссылки на произведения годов. Если у Вас нет времени, может кто-то другой может помочь? --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ra-bot-nik has added sources linking to the JPL Small-Body Database (Q4026990) using the imported from Wikimedia project (P143) property. In general I thought this property is for source info copied from a non-reliable source (such as wikipedia). Property stated in (P248) is used for links to reliable sources such as JPL Small-Body Database (Q4026990). Could you change this?

Also; I think it would be better to use JPL Small-Body Database SPK-ID (P716) instead of provisional designation (P490) for the designation. Filceolaire (talk) 11:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Your bot has been listed at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Removal/Inactive bot accounts as being inactive for over two years. As a housekeeping measure it's proposed to remove the bot flag from inactive bot accounts, unless you expect the bot will be operated again in the near future. If you consent to the removal of the bot flag (or do not reply on the deflag page) you can rerequest the bot flag at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot should you need it again. Of course, You may request retaining your bot flag here if you need the bot flag. Regards--GZWDer (talk) 11:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

The bot flag has been removed. Lymantria (talk) 06:03, 8 July 2017 (UTC)Reply