Property talk:P5922

Shouldn't we also create FOR's sister thesaurus:

Socio-economic Objective (SEO). Appendix 2 SEO Objectives by Code Number.

991 nodes at 4 levels: 5 Sectors, 17 Divisions, 119 Groups, 850 Objectives.

eg SECTOR B ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT > DIVISION 82 PLANT PRODUCTION AND PLANT PRIMARY PRODUCTS > GROUP 8201 FORESTRY> 820102 Harvesting and Transport of Forest Products.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available as LOD, but we can talk to ANDS to LODify it. Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Vladimir Alexiev: Good idea. I've belatedly added it to the Aussie property suggestion list. --99of9 (talk) 05:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

This format constraint is wrong - almost half of ANZSRC 2008 codes start with 0 (see the list at StatsNZ so the regex should be [0-9]\d{1,5}. Can someone who knows how please fix this? --Zeborah (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Zeborah: thanks, I've changed this. [0-9]\d{1,5} is equivalent to \d{2,6} (i.e. between 2 and 6 digits of any value 0-9). --99of9 (talk) 00:51, 8 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

A small group of editors has been discussing this property and the related property ANZSRC 2020 FoR ID (P8529). We would like to get these controlled vocabularies completely matched in Wikidata so that they can be used to assist in discovery of NZ and Aus research. Pinging @99of9:, @Zeborah:, @Pru.mitchell: and @Ambrosia10: who have been involved. Some of us are working on an upload of dissertations from New Zealand which will make use of the ANZSRC vocabularies for main subject statements (there is no project page for that work yet but if you are interested to know more please ask!).

Our impression was that these vocabularies have not been mapped completely because of uncertainty about how to deal with some issues. We discussed this by video call and have agreed the following. I am posting here to advise other editors of what we have decided.

1. The vocabularies include 2/4/6 digit codes. It was intended by ANZSRC that only the 6 digit ones would be applied to documents and the 2 & 4 digit codes are administrative, but we will map them all as libraries are using them all.

2. We discussed how to deal with complex items. We agreed that we will create new Wikidata items for complex terms, with "has part" to relate them to the individual terms. There is discretion not to do this though, for instance we looked at the ANZSRC term "geriatrics and gerontology". In Wikidata geriatrics is a subclass of gerontology, so we felt it made sense to map the term to gerontology rather than create a new combined term. We also looked at an example (orthopedics) where there are two more or less identical Wikidata items, with a "said to be the same as" statement, and in choosing which to use we were swayed by the number of other identifiers each had, and which one included the relevant English Wikipedia article.

3. We added the qualifier "named as" to the identifier statement, so we can see the Wikidata and ANZSRC terms side-by-side (an approach already in use with other controlled vocabularies).

4. We discussed the "not elsewhere classified" (NEC) terms, and felt on balance they should be included, as they are used quite often. We think it is generally appropriate to map them to the broader concept they are part of. That would mean a Wikidata item might have both a 4 digit code and a 6 digit NEC code applied to it. Within the dissertations project there could be some work after the data upload to find dissertations mapped to NEC categories and adjust their main subjects where better terms exist.

5. We agreed on an approach for indigenous research items: make an item for each. Then make them a “subclass of” both e.g. “astronomy and cosmology” and also of “Māori knowledge systems”.

We welcome comments, discussion, ideas from other interested editors, and invite you to help complete the Mix'n'Match catalogues 2008 and 2020 with us. You can reply here or contact me, DrThneed (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC).Reply