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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna

thinking about heroes wishing to switch places……..

[…] when Odysseus meets the shade of Achilles, he addresses Achilles as “best of the Achaeans”. But the Odyssey then has Achilles saying that he would rather be alive and the lowliest of serfs than to be dead and the kingliest of shades. […] Achilles seems ready to trade places with Odysseus, whose safe homecoming will be marked by a painful transitional phase at the very lowest levels of the social order. The words of Achilles in the first nekuia are ironically conjuring up the glorious days of the Iliad when he had said:

“I have lost a safe return home [nostos], but I will have unfailing glory [kleos].” (IX 413)

The destiny of the Odyssey is that Odysseus shall have a nostos, ‘safe return home’. From the retrospective vantage point of the Odyssey, Achilles would trade his kleos for a nostos. It is as if he now would trade an Iliad for an Odyssey. By contrast, at a moment when Odysseus is sure that he will perish in the stormy sea, he wishes that he had died at Troy: “…and then the Achaeans would have carried on my kleos.” (v 308-311)

From Gregory Nagy’s The Best of the Achaeans: Concepts of the hero in ancient Greek poetry (1979)

achilles would trade an iliad for an odyssey... and for a moment odysseus would want to change places too... mmmm this tickled my brain the iliad the odyssey tagamemnon achilles odysseus gregory nagy
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Scene from the play "Iphigenie" by Jean Racine.

agamemnon athena achilles i went and looked up the script to confirm what characters are depicted here i'm so thankful that the artist included act and scene so i didn't have to read too much bc that was some melodramatic HOOEY also it lifts several scenes more or less directly from the iliad and plays them out at aulis instead like this IS the book 1 quarrel scene but about iphigenia instead of briseis this time

i’m gonna pull my “not a native english speaker” card and confess that i always get distracted by andromache wearing a snood as part of her headdress in english translations. i’m always like “wait isn’t that the product they’re making in the lorax” (no that’s a thneed. these words are interchangeable to me)

'heem heem i'm just a little foreign wretch. you expect me to know english' *references an untranslatable english-language children's book*

Anonymous asked:

The people know you're a Thetis supporter but are you a Peleus hater? If so, why?

ahaha and not usually too subtle about it. my fervent thetis support is directly linked to being a peleus hater, yeah. like i remember when i first read thetis’ lament in book 18 of the iliad and could feel my heart hardening against him in realtime.

how funny is it that peleus is the most divorced man in the iliad and he ISN’T EVEN IN IT

(thetis call me pls i'll be good to you) i hope it comes across that i'm just goofing around and never actually like. fandom flamewar-type hating on any mythological figures if peleus is someone's favourite character i'm saying peace and love to you. all the heroes i dig have done equally bad things also i am like one of those deranged fans who're like 'omg [world famous superstar] got divorced? YESSS now i finally have a chance'