Don't require CIVS #105
Open
Don't require CIVS #105
Conversation
This file contains hidden or bidirectional Unicode text that may be interpreted or compiled differently than what appears below. To review, open the file in an editor that reveals hidden Unicode characters.
Learn more about bidirectional Unicode characters
|
I think UX-wise there were different complaints about different platforms (and also about the very idea of ranked ballot); CIVS crash, however, should be enough to not oblige EC to try using it again. |
7c6f434c
reviewed
May 9, 2025
doc/constitution.md
Outdated
| @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ After the nomination deadline, the SC can prevent a nominee from becoming a cand | |||
|
|
|||
| #### Procedure | |||
|
|
|||
| The election is done using a [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html). The recommendation is to use [CIVS](https://civs1.civs.us/) itself, but if CIVS is unavailable, a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. | |||
| The election is done using a [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html). The recommendation is to use [CIVS](https://civs1.civs.us/) itself, but a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. | |||
There was a problem hiding this comment.
Suggested change
| The election is done using a [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html). The recommendation is to use [CIVS](https://civs1.civs.us/) itself, but a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. | |
| The election is done using a propotional representation oriented tallying system based on ranked ballots. The recommendation is to use [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html), but a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. |
There was a problem hiding this comment.
How about even removing CIVS as a recommendation:
Suggested change
| The election is done using a [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html). The recommendation is to use [CIVS](https://civs1.civs.us/) itself, but a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. | |
| The election is done using a propotional representation oriented tallying system based on ranked ballots. One option is to use [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html), but a reasonable alternative is also permitted. |
There was a problem hiding this comment.
(So that a native propotional tallying system of a neutral platform can be used, e.g. for OpaVote there is Meek-STV)
There was a problem hiding this comment.
I do not see any problems with the no-recommendation wording.
The last election has shown that CIVS is not very suitable for collecting votes (the UX and control features are not conductive to high voter turnout), and only using CIVS for tallying the votes (which was done last time) adds a lot of complication, when OpaVote's tallying methods plentyful and sufficient, even if not matching CIVS to the dot.
12a1d64 to
a42f6f9
Compare
Ericson2314
approved these changes
May 14, 2025
jtojnar
reviewed
May 14, 2025
Co-authored-by: Jan Tojnar <jtojnar@gmail.com>
Ericson2314
approved these changes
May 14, 2025
jtojnar
approved these changes
May 14, 2025
| @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ After the nomination deadline, the SC can prevent a nominee from becoming a cand | |||
|
|
|||
| #### Procedure | |||
|
|
|||
| The election is done using a [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html). The recommendation is to use [CIVS](https://civs1.civs.us/) itself, but if CIVS is unavailable, a reasonable alternative proportional representation election implementation is also permitted. | |||
| The election is done using a proportional representation oriented tallying system based on ranked ballots. One option is to use [proportional representation mode from Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS)](http://web.archive.org/web/20240412235900/https://civs1.civs.us/proportional.html), but a reasonable alternative is also permitted. | |||
There was a problem hiding this comment.
Not sure if “tallying system” is proper terminology – Wikipedia calls it either Electoral system or Voting system (redirecting to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system) – but I guess it is understandable enough.
There was a problem hiding this comment.
Good question; an ambiguity that is irrelevant for Wikipedia but relevant to us is that there is vote collection and vote tallying (and we already have experience where voting system for the vote collection did not have one of the promised properties for vote tallying).
Gabriella439
approved these changes
May 18, 2025
tomberek
approved these changes
May 23, 2025
Sign up for free
to join this conversation on GitHub.
Already have an account?
Sign in to comment
Add this suggestion to a batch that can be applied as a single commit.
This suggestion is invalid because no changes were made to the code.
Suggestions cannot be applied while the pull request is closed.
Suggestions cannot be applied while viewing a subset of changes.
Only one suggestion per line can be applied in a batch.
Add this suggestion to a batch that can be applied as a single commit.
Applying suggestions on deleted lines is not supported.
You must change the existing code in this line in order to create a valid suggestion.
Outdated suggestions cannot be applied.
This suggestion has been applied or marked resolved.
Suggestions cannot be applied from pending reviews.
Suggestions cannot be applied on multi-line comments.
Suggestions cannot be applied while the pull request is queued to merge.
Suggestion cannot be applied right now. Please check back later.
The last election has shown that CIVS is not very suitable for collecting votes (the UX and control features are not conductive to high voter turnout), and only using CIVS for tallying the votes (which was done last time) adds a lot of complication, when OpaVote's tallying methods plentyful and sufficient, even if not matching CIVS to the dot.
It should be up to the EC to decide whether they want to use CIVS or a reasonable alternative, and not be prescribed by the constitution.
This was brought up by @7c6f434c, ping @NixOS/ec-2024
As this is a constitutional amendment, it needs a 5/7 SC supermajority to be approved