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Ukraine rulers article
editWhat is the reason behind deleting improvements in the Ukraine rulers article? Were they harming? Because without them article only looks more bland and unfinished. 46.211.127.94 (talk) 07:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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>do not see how this would matter in this case
editSimply put, Runglish is not only about "nadsat" or the macaronic language of Brighton Beach. It's also a name for Russians' flawed English. I listed one more flaw that can be found in this kind of Runglish.
(Not contesting the "unsourced" part though. It would ridiculously difficult to obtain a source - it would take a meta-analysis of - literally - over 9000 pages on, say, Livejournal and "old" YT to see whether people from Russia posting in English with this very flaw - writing "congolese" or "albanian" without the proper capitalization. I only can say "конголезец" or "албанец" respectively would be un-capitalised in Russian) 81.89.66.133 (talk) 09:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was referring to the lowercase in Russian. But this sounds anecdotal. Per WP:V this should be supported by a reliable source. If there is no source that mentions this, then probably it is not worth mentioning. Mellk (talk) 10:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've been researching the topic. Didn't find much on flawed English speech. However, I've found something polar opposite. There are plenty of online discussions regarding people who would post on forums/microblogs/blogs in Russian and then flub up a little by spelling a nationality with the upper-case. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:RS it must be cited to reliable sources. I do not think we can cite online discussions here. Mellk (talk) 13:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've been researching the topic. Didn't find much on flawed English speech. However, I've found something polar opposite. There are plenty of online discussions regarding people who would post on forums/microblogs/blogs in Russian and then flub up a little by spelling a nationality with the upper-case. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Croatian War of Independence
editHi Mellk. I didn't write anything wrong, I just restored what the IP deleted. This [[1]]. I just wanted to bring that back, because I think I'm right, that movement was active throughout Croatia in the 90s. Please read here.[[2]].What do you think about this and whether it should be hidden from the public and not be written about or whether it should be included in this article?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Chetniks are not mentioned in the article. Please see WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, which says:
The purpose of an infobox is to summarize, but not supplant, the key facts that appear in an article.
Thank you. Mellk (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC) - This was also added by an IP not long ago (presumably this was you). Mellk (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- If they are not included in that article, it does not mean that they did not participate, this says otherwise and then the article should be improved. Look at how many sources there are, unfortunately someone did not put it in this article. But I think that does not mean that I am wrong. What do you think about it?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to add a mention of this in the body (citing a reliable source) first or to start a talk page discussion about this. Mellk (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can I take this back from you? I don't want it and I won't, if you don't allow it. I don't want to add all that from that page, some Serbian Pov pushers like Shadow4ya will say that I copied it all from that page and that it doesn't apply to that page. That's how it will be. Feel free to say no and I won't be on Wikipedia anymore, I won't be angry with you, that's how the wiki is, that's how the editing policy is.89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can I make an additional section in that article about the Chetniks and then add that they participated? You see that it says all sorts of things there, but they didn't put anything about the Yugoslav wars that they participated in?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your best chance is to be bold. If it gets reverted, you can write your arguments on the talk page. If that does not work, there is also dispute resolution. Mellk (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, first I'll write on the talk page why I brought it back and that it says that that movement participated and there is evidence for that, but that the entire article is being edited. Only then will I bring it back. First I'll write everything on the talk page so if anyone disagrees, they can come forward there. Thanks89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- You can suggest on the talk page what should be added to the body (with references to WP:RS) and see if there is any agreement on inclusion (or the wording can be discussed). Once it is mentioned in the article it is possible to also include this in the infobox. Mellk (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, first I'll write on the talk page why I brought it back and that it says that that movement participated and there is evidence for that, but that the entire article is being edited. Only then will I bring it back. First I'll write everything on the talk page so if anyone disagrees, they can come forward there. Thanks89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your best chance is to be bold. If it gets reverted, you can write your arguments on the talk page. If that does not work, there is also dispute resolution. Mellk (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can I make an additional section in that article about the Chetniks and then add that they participated? You see that it says all sorts of things there, but they didn't put anything about the Yugoslav wars that they participated in?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can I take this back from you? I don't want it and I won't, if you don't allow it. I don't want to add all that from that page, some Serbian Pov pushers like Shadow4ya will say that I copied it all from that page and that it doesn't apply to that page. That's how it will be. Feel free to say no and I won't be on Wikipedia anymore, I won't be angry with you, that's how the wiki is, that's how the editing policy is.89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to add a mention of this in the body (citing a reliable source) first or to start a talk page discussion about this. Mellk (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- If they are not included in that article, it does not mean that they did not participate, this says otherwise and then the article should be improved. Look at how many sources there are, unfortunately someone did not put it in this article. But I think that does not mean that I am wrong. What do you think about it?89.172.12.2 (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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