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Contested deletion
editThis article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because Susie Green is pivotal to the LGBTQIA+ movement in the United Kingdom. A simple Google of her will show how prominent she is to the community. Green has been instrumental in progressing the children's charity Mermaids. Please leave this active as a stub, so that it can be added to by other Wikipedians. --N1CKchooseanothername (talk) 08:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Contested deletion
editThis article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Added more content and refs to other works. What links here, has back links from Susie Green in other articles. --N1CKchooseanothername (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Borderline attack page
editI was close to putting this up for deletion as an attack page. The "circumvent" bit is unacceptable. "Green has no medical training" just dropped in as an irrelevant aside is unacceptable. DanielRigal (talk) 10:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think the best thing would be to redirect this back to Mermaids but, if we are going to keep it, then it needs to be made more neutral. DanielRigal (talk) 10:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I initially removed an A9 from this since I feel there is a WP:CCS here, but looking at the sources now, I'm not sure we have enough to actually write about her. Most of what I'm finding is manufactured outrage from the Daily Mail–The Telegraph–The Times trifecta. Presumably a WP:BLAR would be contested given that the article was created today, so AFD could be the way to go. Madeline (part of me) 10:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Green's lack of medical qualifications may be relevant in light of the 300 pages of emails between GIDS and Mermaids (in particular, between Polly Carmichael at GIDS and Green at Mermaids) which have just been released at the insistence of the Information Commissioner's Office, GIDS having previously claimed that they held no such emails. Green was making patient referrals, often against the advice of the patient's GP, and was also influencing GIDS policy, despite having no medical qualifications. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/27/trans-lobby-group-mermaids-helped-nhs-treatment-children/ Going all shoot-the-messenger and claiming it doesn't count because it's reported by the Telegraph (which, last I heard, was RS) won't altogether do. Maybe the article shouldn't embody all this at the moment, because there are potentially very serious legal issues as yet unresolved, but it is worth bearing in mind. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I initially removed an A9 from this since I feel there is a WP:CCS here, but looking at the sources now, I'm not sure we have enough to actually write about her. Most of what I'm finding is manufactured outrage from the Daily Mail–The Telegraph–The Times trifecta. Presumably a WP:BLAR would be contested given that the article was created today, so AFD could be the way to go. Madeline (part of me) 10:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Word "unexpectedly"
editI don't want to get involved with controversies around this article (I don't want to edit the article at all, in fact), but the word "unexpectedly" is kind of dumb, since Mermaids was placed under a legal inquiry a week after she resigned as its head. Maybe not so "unexpected"? AnonMoos (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AnonMoos: No, it's not dumb. We may think that the 2 events are obviously connected, but I do not know of any source saying so. Sweet6970 (talk) 14:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's nice -- "unexpectedly" is expressing a certain point of view, one which does not seem to be supported by the totality of the facts. A few people might have found it unexpected for a few days, but I don't see why this ephemeral initial reaction must be immortalized by Wikipedia. AnonMoos (talk) 19:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not clear exactly what your objection is, but would you agree to changing `unexpectedly' to `suddenly'? Sweet6970 (talk) 14:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Suddenly" suggests rushed or hurried, but it's not clear what timetable is involved in this case. If you want to remove the subjective and ultimately unsupported meaning component in "unexpectedly", then "abruptly" would probably be better. No one could deny that she resigned abruptly... AnonMoos (talk) 08:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree to your suggestion to change `unexpectedly' to `abruptly'. Sweet6970 (talk) 12:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Suddenly" suggests rushed or hurried, but it's not clear what timetable is involved in this case. If you want to remove the subjective and ultimately unsupported meaning component in "unexpectedly", then "abruptly" would probably be better. No one could deny that she resigned abruptly... AnonMoos (talk) 08:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not clear exactly what your objection is, but would you agree to changing `unexpectedly' to `suddenly'? Sweet6970 (talk) 14:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's nice -- "unexpectedly" is expressing a certain point of view, one which does not seem to be supported by the totality of the facts. A few people might have found it unexpected for a few days, but I don't see why this ephemeral initial reaction must be immortalized by Wikipedia. AnonMoos (talk) 19:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
I have now made this change. Sweet6970 (talk) 11:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks... AnonMoos (talk) 14:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)