Talk:Proserpina

This section is linked from Pluto (mythology), Hymn to Proserpine, The Rape of Proserpina, Proserpine (Lully), Persephone, Averna, Ataegina, Proserpine, Queensland, Cora (hypermarket), Tanglewood Tales 125.237.28.49 (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC) (Among Others, feel free to add)Reply

I think that dates should be added to the images, so that nobody gets the mistaken idea that the artwork used for the article actually comes from antiquity.69.171.163.200 (talk) 08:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Agreed about the dates. I was looking in to the Vincenzo de' Rossi sculpture, and noticed that an article does not exist for this artist in the English edition. An article does exist in the Italian edition. This article should be translated and added to the English addition, and a link should be inserted in the caption. Ripleysnow (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Okay, so does anyone want to help with the citations, I've added a few weblinks but I think the real beauty of this article will come from written texts. As the majority of the articles on the internet surrounding this are of Persephone, not Proserpina, although they are extremely similar.

So, if anyone has any old texts, feel free to add sources and the like... I'd be very grateful as I don't have many published ancient history pieces, just the Odyssey, Iliad and Aeneid really.Calamitas-92 (talk) 09:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

This section refers to a status located in the "Great Garden" in Dresden. Did some searching on www.dresden.de site and believe this refers to the "Großer Garten", with the statue, I believe, located at : http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Gro%C3%9Fer+Garten,+Dresden,+Germany&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=51.038539,13.76117&spn=0.000734,0.001998&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.992289,65.478516&t=h&z=19&lci=com.panoramio.all Could someone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan Aquinas (talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

In literature, Proserpina was the name of an asteroid from the outer solar-system which the Lunarians investigated in this row of books: Poul_Anderson_bibliography#Harvest_of_Stars. It was said that its orbital elements made it basically unreachable but every few years it would "swing by" for a visit to the planets. (which was apparently a characteristic it had in common with the Greek Proserpina and thus got the name from her) chris :) 217.70.211.15 (talk) 10:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

This should be a disamb page, not a redirect. I will change it now as it seems clear, but if anyone objects that's just fine too, but please take up discussion here. ROxBo (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

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The section is virtually unsourced and largely constructed from non-scholarly and primary source material and a dose of editorial sentiment and whimsy. At least it did. The worst was the myth narrative itself; I've toned that down a bit. It still needs rewriting, with scholary sources and clear separation between sourced variants. See also Talk:Persephone. Haploidavey (talk) 09:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your last edit, quotes mentioned are from the same book and don't show any personal opinion 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

The material you've interpreted are lines from a poem which you've interpreted, or quoted to make a case not put forward by the poem iteslf. Editors can't do that with primary sources, only secondary sources can. It might help you to very carefully read through the Wikipedia rules on editing and sourcing, available via the welcome message on your talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm not interpreting, just indicating that certain verses say she loves him and another passage that she doesn't want to see her mother 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

it's literally what the poem is talking about 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm just stating what is literally written, I'm not interpreting anything or expressing an opinion 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'll rephrase that; what you've written is an interpretation or representation of a poem. You've interpreted, or quoted lines to make a case not put forward by the poem iteslf, as if you knew the underlying intent. Editors can't do that with primary sources, only secondary sources can. It might help you to very carefully read through the Wikipedia rules on editing and sourcing, available via the welcome message on your talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

what part am i interpreted! 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

is that written in the poem 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

the poem itself is saying that 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

the poem is actually saying that she loves him and another part that doesn't want to see her mother, it's literal 45.7.161.77 (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Editors have to rely on published reliable sources to describe the meaning and significance of any primary material. It's one of Wikipedia's basics. Haploidavey (talk) 22:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

sorry but don t a reason to withdraw 45.7.161.77 (talk) 22:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

he literally uses the word love in Latin 45.7.161.77 (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

the poem uses the word love in Latin, and I'm pointing out that in the question verse he says that, no interpretation here 45.7.161.77 (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

in the other verse it is said that he doesn't want his mother, and I put it where mentioned (also no interpretation) 45.7.161.77 (talk) 22:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

You clearly think it's significant that Lucan uses "ames" and that it's so significant that it should be in the encyclopedia. Wikipedia requires more than that - see WP:INDISCRIMINATE and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. It doesn't matter how good your understanding of Lucan is (I'd recommend reading more of the Pharsalia, at least Book VI from about line 413 onwards, to better understand the picture Lucan's painting, what he has his possibly unreliable narrator Erichtho say, and why he's doing that, but that would just be to develop your understanding). Repeating that "the poem uses the word" is not sufficient and does nothing to build consensus that the material should be included. Without that consensus, despite so much discussion, you cannot keep forcing your text into the encyclopedia. NebY (talk) 00:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

1.I think your interpretation of the verb foedus isWP:NPOV, in the context in which it is used is not necessarily bad and is referring to food not their relationship

2. You are assuming that Ericho is a unreliable narrator, this is not stated anywhere in the text, again this is your interpretationWP:NPOV

3. I read from 413 onwards, and the only verses in which the relationship with Dis is mentioned are about his love for Dis and avoiding his mother, several verses about the underworld,dead people,war,furies and witcher say absolutely nothing about his relationship with Pluto

4. Can you please tell me where in the text it was stated that she doesn't love Dis or that Ericho is an unreliable narrator, I think your statement of WP:INDISCRIMINATE, is unfounded if you don't mention a part where it was established that she doesn't love him or Ericho is an unreliable narrator, that's WP:NPOV Aizen7817 (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Haploidavey you disagree with something in the last comment?

Deiadameian you disagree with something in my last comment?

I hoped reading more of the Pharsalia would give you some perspective. Ah well. It remains, as so often when someone's enthusiastic about a new-to-them fact or idea, that its inclusion in Wikipedia would be contrary to WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:UNDUE, WP:OR, WP:RS and more. In closing, I'll only repeat that you don't have consensus for the inclusion of this, and that you cannot establish consensus by pinging weary editors and not receiving a reply - silence is not consent. NebY (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)Reply