Talk:Pump action
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Inventor
editDoing a search for "John Boyce shotgun" on google, all links lead back to here (one way or another, wikiquizes, anwsers.com, and other places that lift their words directly from us, although some have more resources). A search for the "who invented pump action" returns a couple links to here, and some mentions of Spencer and his 1882 shotgun. Browning of course gets some references too, but the 1897 Winchester that Browning (and perhaps Boyce, if hes not a creation of wiki), is not as old. So I'm fixing it. 65.95.107.182 (talk) 21:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Legality
editShouldn’t there be something in the legality of using this weapon around the world? The pump-action shotgun is illegal in Australia, and restricted to three shots maximum in the U.K., and may be subject to control or prohibition elsewhere. Jock123 (talk) 13:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Dead and Questionable References
editOne of the links is to a site which sells guns - it states on it's homepage how awesome it is to show off a shotgun to your buddies. The other link is 404-error dead. This idea - that the sound of a shotgun reloading has been proven to be a deterrent effect in self-defense or crowd-control scenarios, appears to have no basis in fact. It's also referenced on the "Baton (law enforcement)" page. There appears to be little relevance beyond marketing. 2601:2:4B00:426:B99A:B187:7AE4:51D4 (talk) 09:42, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the move request was: moved by Dmol (talk · contribs) —innotata 02:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Slide-action shotgun → Pump-action shotgun – The term "pump-action shotgun" is MUCH more commonly-encountered than "slide-action shotgun" in both common and specialist media and discussions in English-speaking countries. It is rare to see the term "slide-action shotgun" in the US, the UK, Canada or Australia. Google Books shows 32,200 results for "pump-action shotgun" (enclosed in quotes) and only 7,290 for "slide-action shotgun". Google News Archive shows 168 results for "pump-action shotgun" and no results for the other term. Google's web search lists only 26,200 results for "slide-action shotgun", compared to 403K results for "pump-action shotgun". Wikipedia should use the most widely accepted term. Kanadskaja Kazarka (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
- Move. Note that this page was moved with the rationale "Pump-action" is more of a buzzword by the press. Slide action is technically more correct. by Hornsignal on May 31 of this year. Ngram comparison would suggest Pump-action to be the clear leader by common name policy. Since we use the most commonly recognized name and not necessarily industry terms, it appears that the article should be moved.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 23:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC) - Support per WP:UCN and nom -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Support. Easily the most common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Strongly Support. The common name is pump-action shotgun; only technical experts even recognize what slide-action shotgun means. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Support unless this is an ENGVAR issue and British English was originally used. Red Slash 23:44, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
- Support. Per WP:BRD, a page that is moved without discussion can be moved back without discussion, in order to discuss whether the initial move should have been undertaken. bd2412 T 14:57, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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"History"
editThe "History" section has nothing about history in it, just some irrelevant crap.Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 27 January 2017
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Nominator withdrew nomination at Talk:Bolt action. Fixing improper closure by Fuzheado.(non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 03:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Pump action → Pump-action – "Pump-action", with a hyphen, is the correct form. RadiculousJ (talk) 14:08, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:48, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
- I had the impression that the action considered alone is called a "pump action", and that it acquires a hyphen when it becomes part of a longer compound such as "pump-action shotgun" or "pump-action rifle". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:48, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose' See Talk:Bolt action#Requested move 27 January 2017 Andy Dingley (talk) 16:19, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. Same reasons as Talk:Bolt action#Requested move 27 January 2017. Felsic2 (talk) 17:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose the title is a noun not an adjective. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Not done - Unanimous conclusion that the non-adjective form should not have a hyphen. -- Fuzheado | Talk 02:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
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Suggesting merge into Action (firearms)
editThis is a redundant article that should be under Action (firearms)Digitallymade (talk) 11:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as for all the other suggested merges in this batch (see bolt action) Andy Dingley (talk) 12:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. A fine standalone article. Nothing wrong with retaining a separate article, as it clearly has adequate content to remain. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Pump action rifles
editI find it odd that the opening entry mentions pump action rifles, but yet not a single pump action rifle is mentioned anywhere in the article. I think a notable pump action rifle section and a few mentions of them be added.
Catzilla4 (talk) 23:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Good point. I did modify the opening a little to reduce the strange emphasis on rifles. Felsic2 (talk) 17:53, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- There are some proper pump action rifles though. Other articles on this site (and some advertising I've seen) mention that the Remington 760 and its successor the 7600 both are pump action rifles. I'm not sure if they are notable though, for they are sport guns. Also the previous version of the article made it clear that despite sometimes being called pump action rifles, an M16 with a grenade launcher was not one. Catzilla4 (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Being used in sport doesn't mean a rifle isn't notable. Those Remingtons are very well known.
- Do we even have a source saying that an M16 with a grenade launcher is called a pump action rifle? Maybe we should just delete the entire claim. Felsic2 (talk) 19:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- I went ahead and deleted it. If someone can find a source discussing the issue then it can be re-added and improved. Felsic2 (talk) 19:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- There are some proper pump action rifles though. Other articles on this site (and some advertising I've seen) mention that the Remington 760 and its successor the 7600 both are pump action rifles. I'm not sure if they are notable though, for they are sport guns. Also the previous version of the article made it clear that despite sometimes being called pump action rifles, an M16 with a grenade launcher was not one. Catzilla4 (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
You are right to so do. It's NOT a repeater, so it cannot be definition be a pump action.Digitallymade (talk) 02:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
'Disadvantages' category should at least acknowledge a shotguns ability to fire while reloading
editWhile for the most part requiring manual loading of individual rounds is a disadvantage, the one saving grace is you can interrupt your reload to fire off a shot as long as there is even one round in the chamber, where most modern weapons will even have mechanisms to prevent you from firing off a potentially life saving shot. Thaumus1997 (talk) 09:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)