Talk:How You Get the Girl
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 14:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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Taylor Swift performing "How You Get the Girl" on the 1989 World Tour in 2015.
- ... that the choreography of this Taylor Swift song, performed during the 1989 World Tour resembles that from the 1952 musical Singin' in the Rain?
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Converted from a redirect by Brachy0008 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
brachy08 (chat here lol) 09:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is well balanced, sourced and written from a neutral point of view. It is new enough, as it has been moved from draftspace within the last 7 days and the earwig tool found no signs of copyright violation or plagiarism. The hooks are interesting enough and the sources provided are reliable. Well done, Wolverine XI (talk to me) 10:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- personally, i feel that the original hook is suitable (because of the image) also bc i have less than 5 dyk noms, qpq doesn't really apply to me (yet) brachy08 (chat here lol) 10:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then you should probably remove the second hook. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 10:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
removed brachy08 (chat here lol) 11:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Brachy0008 and Wolverine XI:, I can't find where the sources verify that the choreography was inspired by Singin' in the Rain—while the Independent says "there is a mass “Singing in the Rain”-style choreographed dance sequence to “How to Get the Girl”", which isn't quite the same thing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- tweaked. @AirshipJungleman29: brachy08 (chat here lol) 00:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think "styled from" makes sense. The best you can do at present is something like "that one reviewer said the choreography is like Singin' in the Rain". You don't have a quote from anyone who actually knows about what the inspirations were. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- tweaked again. how does it look? @AirshipJungleman29: brachy08 (chat here lol) 00:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If so, is this ready to approve? Z1720 (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
...probably? I think a copyedit might be needed, as in ALT0b: ... that the choreography of How You Get the Girl during the 1989 World Tour resembled the 1952 musical Singin' in the Rain? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, that's really just the thought of one reviewer, so it should be attributed. But "Reviewer thinks choreography of one song is like one musical" doesn't make for a great hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If so, is this ready to approve? Z1720 (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- tweaked. @AirshipJungleman29: brachy08 (chat here lol) 00:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
GA Review
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Nominator: Brachy0008 (talk · contribs) 09:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 07:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
I will be reviewing this in the next few days, thats if I don't get it done by the end of the day. dxneo (talk) 07:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Dxneo: I am not the nominator but I'm interested in this article so I've addressed most of the points that you raised, except the original version's personnel and the audio file. Let me know if anything that I've addressed needs further adjustments. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Infobox
edit- I don't wanna lie, I never understood the concept of two infoboxes in the lead. What's up with that? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean I've seen songs like "Bad Blood" and such and I think they are well formatted. Why can't this be like that? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bad Blood was a single that had pretty much content to add, that's why its article was divided between the original version and Taylor's version. For articles like "All You Had to Do Was Stay", "I Wish You Would (Taylor Swift song)", "Clean (song)", etc... which are album tracks like "How You Get the Girl", there are two infoboxes in the lead because the article isn't divided between the two versions. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Lead
edit"How You Get the Girl" is a song by the American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift.
===> "How You Get the Girl" is a song recorded by American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the problem "the" or "a song by"? This article and other articles within the Taylor Swift WProject adhere to WP:FALSETITLE, which is really helpful guide that is consistent through Swift's Wikipedia articles. Isn't "a song by" a better option since Swift wrote and produced the song, not only recorded it? I guess all of Swift's articles have "a song by" as well. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Background and releases
edit- So, this section is about background, release and commercial performance? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should be done now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
The song was released on October 27, 2014, as 1989's tenth track.
— this statement is unreferenced. You can you use Apple Music as a source or reuse one of the critics source. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
It lasts for four minutes and seven seconds.
===> "How You Get the Girl" is 4 minutes and 7 seconds long. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)- Oh and I expected to see this under the Composition section, not Background. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done but rewrote it. Any thoughts? Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's better to write it as "4 minutes" instead of "four minutes". Just something I learned while patrolling PR and FAC. dxneo (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be "four" per MOS:NUMERAL? Medxvo (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- One thing I hate about Wikipedia is that sometimes our guidelines go against each other sometimes. I can't go back to previous reviews to search for specific guideline that says in this type of case we should use "6" instead of "six". It is the same guideline we use when we write Commercial performance, "it debuted at number 46" not "number forty six". dxneo (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- MOS:NUMERAL says that 46 can be expressed as "46" or "forty-six", both are true, but mostly in Wikipedia "46" is being used. However, the guideline says that numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. I'm not sure if "4" is better than "four", but the decision is yours in such a case. I'm open to your final thoughts. Medxvo (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's okay with me so long as it's accurate and isn't misleading haha. dxneo (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- MOS:NUMERAL says that 46 can be expressed as "46" or "forty-six", both are true, but mostly in Wikipedia "46" is being used. However, the guideline says that numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words. I'm not sure if "4" is better than "four", but the decision is yours in such a case. I'm open to your final thoughts. Medxvo (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- One thing I hate about Wikipedia is that sometimes our guidelines go against each other sometimes. I can't go back to previous reviews to search for specific guideline that says in this type of case we should use "6" instead of "six". It is the same guideline we use when we write Commercial performance, "it debuted at number 46" not "number forty six". dxneo (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be "four" per MOS:NUMERAL? Medxvo (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's better to write it as "4 minutes" instead of "four minutes". Just something I learned while patrolling PR and FAC. dxneo (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done but rewrote it. Any thoughts? Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
"How You Get the Girl" charted in Canada (81)[10] and the US Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 (4).[11] The song received a platinum certification by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA),[12] a silver certification by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI),[13] and a gold certification by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).[14]
===> "How You Get the Girl" reached number 4 on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart, and it was awarded the gold certification by the Recording Industry of America (RIAA). It was also certified silver in the United Kingdom by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), and platinum in Australia by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA). dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done, but included the Canadian chart. Should it be removed? Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
It is four minutes and seven seconds long.[22] "How You Get the Girl (Taylor's Version)" charted in Canada (34),[23] New Zealand (31),[24] and Billboard's US Hot 100 (40)[25] and Global 200 (29).[26] The song's top-40 entry on the Hot 100 chart extended Swift's record for the most top-40 chart entries by a female artist.
— Please reference the above suggestion/correction to rephrase this. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should be done now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Swift ended her contract with Big Machine Records and signed with Republic Records in November 2018.[15] She began re-recording her first six studio albums in November 2020.[16] The decision followed a public dispute in 2019 between Swift and the talent manager Scooter Braun, who acquired Big Machine including the masters of Swift's albums which the label had released.[17][18] By re-recording the albums, Swift had full ownership of the new masters, which enabled her to control the licensing of her songs for commercial use and therefore substituted the Big Machine–owned masters.[19]
— How's all of this relevant? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Every article of Swift's songs (that has a Taylor's version released), has a consistent similar part, explaining the masters situation. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that you did not say which label(s) released and re-released the songs in the lead and the body. Please add that information so that it can sync with the infobox. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
The song was produced by Swift and Christopher Rowe, who had produced her previous re-recordings.
— Any reason why you only mentioned the producers and not the writers? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are mentioned now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- On which part are the writers mentioned? The lead? Background section? dxneo (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both of them have "Swift wrote the track with its producers", it is mentioned in the original version's part not the Taylor's version part, since the Taylor's version is a re-recording, so basically the same writers. Should the Taylor's version writers be mentioned as well? Medxvo (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- On which part are the writers mentioned? The lead? Background section? dxneo (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are mentioned now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Composition and critical reception
editThe song is also about taking a good relationship for granted and letting it, only to want it back.
===> Is there a way you rephrase this? [my opinion] dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should be done now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
"How You Get the Girl" has a guitar-based instrumental supported by bass beats.
===> "How You Get the Girl" features guitar-based instrumental supported by bass beats. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see why Composition is even included on this section. This section is completely about critics. You can create a new section and group Composition and chart performance on it, because this is a little messy. I found Composition under Background and now this? Any suggestions? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a good idea. Should be done now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Live performances and usage in media
editIn 2014, "How You Get the Girl" was used in a Diet Coke advertisement, where more and more cats appeared whenever Swift took a sip of a can of Diet Coke.
— this statement is unreferenced. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Entertainment Weekly and Digital Spy are this statement's sources. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, not acceptable. Reuse the reference. There must always be a reference after a period (every sentence must be sourced). dxneo (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- What about WP:CONSECUTIVECITE and WP:REPCITE? Medxvo (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, not acceptable. Reuse the reference. There must always be a reference after a period (every sentence must be sourced). dxneo (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Entertainment Weekly and Digital Spy are this statement's sources. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
"How You Get the Girl" was part of the permanent setlist of the 1989 World Tour (2015), where Swift performed it wearing a pink two-piece light up dress, accompanied by choreography inspired by the musical film Singin' in the Rain (1952).
— unreferenced. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rolling Stone and The Independent are this statement's sources. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reference after every sentence. dxneo (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- What about WP:CONSECUTIVECITE and WP:REPCITE? Medxvo (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Reference after every sentence. dxneo (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rolling Stone and The Independent are this statement's sources. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
where more and more cats appeared whenever Swift took a sip of a can of Diet Coke.
===> where more and more cats appeared whenever Swift took a sip from a can of Diet Coke. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Personnel
edit- Why are there only credits from the "Taylor's Version" only? dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy that you mentioned all those other tracks above, because they are the perfect example for fixing this. dxneo (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- What about this mate? The songs do not share the same set of credits. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry for the late reply, but I wanted to add it first before replying, I just added the original version's credits! Medxvo (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- What about this mate? The songs do not share the same set of credits. dxneo (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy that you mentioned all those other tracks above, because they are the perfect example for fixing this. dxneo (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Media files
edit- Add alt text on the attached image for visually impaired readers. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't the alt text already added? Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Completely missed it, my apologies. dxneo (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't the alt text already added? Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would recommend adding a sample (audio file) to improve quality of the article, but where would it be placed? [rhetorical question] dxneo (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Medxvo, what about this? dxneo (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- ?? dxneo (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, adding audio files is pretty much outside my scope of expertise. I've noticed that some articles went to GA without adding a sample, including "This Love (Taylor Swift song)", "Clean (song)", "You Are in Love", etc... Anyhow, If you think that the sample is important in our case, the nominator @Brachy0008: can handle this one or any other editor willing to help. For now, I want to thank you for your thorough review! I tried to help as much as I could. Medxvo (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not really important, it just makes the article look more professional to me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Can I teach you how to add an audio sample just in case you might wanna do it in the future? dxneo (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, adding audio files is pretty much outside my scope of expertise. I've noticed that some articles went to GA without adding a sample, including "This Love (Taylor Swift song)", "Clean (song)", "You Are in Love", etc... Anyhow, If you think that the sample is important in our case, the nominator @Brachy0008: can handle this one or any other editor willing to help. For now, I want to thank you for your thorough review! I tried to help as much as I could. Medxvo (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- ?? dxneo (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Medxvo, what about this? dxneo (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Copyright vio
edit- Violation is unlikely as Earwig finds 9.9% similarities. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Overall 
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- I think this article is way too confusing for readers including us Wikipedians, and it is not well-formatted. I recommend seeking Peer review then re-nominate later. That's only my sole opinion. dxneo (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to pass this now. dxneo (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.