Talk:Nicolas Flamel
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Merge (2006)
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I reject the merge with the harry potter character. It would not be useful since the 2 have a very different story. Lag 21:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe that it would be a horrible idea, however, each person has their own style and story (although they are/were married). lag
I presume what is intended is not a "merge with the Harry Potter character" but with the article on Nicolas Flamel´s (historical) wife. Since she was a serious alchemist in her own right and may have been as important as her husband in their discoveries, I think to subsume her under the piece on her husband would be inappropriate. If the content of the two articles is considered too repetitive for separate entries I think a "joint-article" should be created retitled something like "The Flamels" or "Nicolas and Perenelle Flamel" (N before P, alphabetical order). Shulgi 16:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
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Sources
editHow about some details of where his story was originally recorded ? Or was it passed orally until recent times ? -- Beardo 21:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no mention of the Harry Potter Character in the main section. Obviously, J.K. Rowling based her story on this character. It is clearly stated in the section that much of the story is legend so I don't see what the fuss is about. Why is this not a proper dictionary entry? It is not unusual for real people to remain famous because of fictional stories written around them (See D'Artagnan in Dumas' The Three Musketeers)
Even so, we need some sources of where these legends come from 199.126.137.209 07:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that they should be merged. I'm not talking about the Harry Potter character, but the real Perenelle Flamel. As she's not a major historical figure, she could just be a section of the Nicholas Flamel page. D.taub 14:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Perrenelle deserves a page in her own right...maybe there should be a link showing she is his wife but she too was an amazing person.
From what I've read on here and on other sites, all imformation on the mysterious "Nick" and Perrenelle Flamel on Wikipedia is correct. The information can't be cited anymore directly and no more can be added because Nick was so mysterious and the fact that he lived from 1330-40 'till 1418 suggests that any records on Nick have been lost, were never written, or we will never know, as it has been suggested that Nick did fake his death in 1418 and any information on Nick has been keeped under wraps or was destroyed by Nick (?). All of this is hypothetical but still. Anythings possible... Rlp17 (talk) 14:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Removed text
editI removed this part because it was just wedged in and made no sense in the context. I've preserved it here in case it deserves reinstating in some form:
- Flamel grew fabulously rich from his discoveries and money-lending to the French and Spanish noblemen, and, indeed, he was known as the richest man in France. Flamel lived a humble life without luxuries though since he was proud and thankfull of his abilities. Flamel and Pernella had spent a large part of their vast fortune opon charity by building fourteen hospitals as well as three Chapels and funded multiple humanitarian organizations by also feeding the poor and needing and helping churches to maintain their daily life.
--24.75.136.130 17:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that is very important, since it tells where it got his money from, and that he was known as the richest man in France, and surely famous for that. Someone should find a proper place to shove that back in there.
Merge (2007)
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There doesn't seem to be much in the way of separate references on Perenelle Flamel, the person, though the character in the Harry Potter novels has more notoriety. As such, I recommend that the information from her article be merged into this one (if there's even anything unique), that the name Perenelle Flamel be redirected to Historical characters in Harry Potter#Perenelle Flamel, and that a disambig notice be placed in the Harry Potter article, directing people to Nicholas Flamel if they want information on the real person, as opposed to the fictional character. --Elonka 04:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Fact should be separated from fiction Brandonrush 22:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Perelle Flamel plays an important part in the story of Nicholas Flamel. His supposed wealth has been attributed to the money she received from her first two marriages, which adds some ambiguity to the argument that he created a Philosophers Stone. As per the Harry Potter reference, one of the main factors that keeps legends - such as that of Nicholas Flamel and the Philosophers Stone - alive is references in popular culture, whether they may be fact or fiction. ~Bones 10:43, 13 July 2007
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Illogical segue?
editIs it just me or is this part illogically worded and difficult to understand? "...which was filled with encoded alchemical symbols and arcane writing, including some texts in Hebrew. There have been past claims about sightings and there have been streets named after Flamel." He finds a book and then there's sightings and streets named after him? Shouldn't he die before that starts happening? ;) Naysie 10:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
i agree, very confusing Brandonrush 22:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Proposed name change (2007)
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As Flamel is French how about changing the spelling of Nicholas to Nicolas throughout the article? Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.165.124.250 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 19 February 2007.
- I agree. It seems unlikely that a French person living in Paris would use the English spelling of his name. There are around three times as many references to "Nicolas Flamel" found by Google than "Nicholas Flamel". This is not conclusive, of course, but if after a couple of weeks no-one has come up with definitive sources showing that he used the English spelling and, ideally, why, I'll switch the name to the French throughout. Adrian Robson 18:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Per WP:NAME, the article title should be that which is mostly easily recognized by English-speakers. My own Google search shows that "Nicholas Flamel" brings up 34,000 hits.[1] and "Nicolas Flamel" about 90,000. The Priory of Sion usage is "Nicolas", and the Historical characters in Harry Potter list it as Nicolas, so yes, I would support a move to that spelling. --Elonka 19:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm in the process of changing all pages that referred to the old spelling (eg Historical characters in Harry Potter), when referring to the historical person rather than the fictional version). Edit: Done. There's a book by Michael Scott using the other spelling, which I'm obviously leaving as is. Same for the poem by Michael Roberts, though I can't really find any independant references to which spelling it uses. 76.202.59.91 17:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
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Fullmetal Alchemist
editIn the anime FullMetal Alchemist Izumi Curti's tatoo, and the symbol in the clothing (for Alphonse, his armor) is knw as the Flamel Cross, which since It's about alchemists refers to Nicholas Flamel... Is thos enough to add to the Pop culture section?24.81.59.101 06:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Longevity claim?
editI don't see anywhere that this man claims to be 110+.Ryoung122 23:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Where have you seen that he should claim to be 110+? If it is true however that witnesses have seen him in Paris still in modern times (one claimed to have seen him 1986 outside his window), then I believe he would be 110+. --Ediug (talk) 14:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Witnesses of Flamel?
editAccording to the Swedish article about Flamel, witnesses stated that he should have been seen in 1761 at an opera in Paris, even one witness claimed to have seen him wandering outside of his window in 1986 (adding these claims to the English article as well now). No references is given. Have you heard about this before or do you know any sources that can verify these statements? It would really be interesting to know where they come from. --Ediug (talk) 14:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, where are the sources? Please, add sorces. There are a lot on this article with out sources. I move that all without sources be deleted in a two weeks.
Jorgejch (talk) 22:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)jorgejch
French version of the article complete
editHi! I've just been told that the French version of the article has been completed, and it is much more extensive than the English one. Someone who feels like translating? :) --Ediug (talk) 11:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey the French version of the article is in french and unless you can read fluent french you're screwed. If you copy any part of the article and paste it in Google's translator, from french to english, it will translate accurately. :) Just trying to help. By the way, there is no length limit to the google translator so you can copy the whole article and translate it in one piece. Enjoy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.162.250 (talk) 22:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually, there IS a length limit on Google Translate, so you really CAN'T translate it all in one piece. I just tried it, and it said that it "Exeeds the 3900-character limit". I am not very happy about it. LegoBen201714 (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Date of death
editUm -- why is there no year of death in the lead? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Date of birth
editThe article used to claim "early 1330s", but now it has adopted the date from The Alchemyst. Is there any other citation for the September 28 date other than that book? ZtObOr 16:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
French Article in English
editHere's the french article in english. some one who wants to merge it with the Current artice here ya go.
Rlp17 (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC) fxuydtjtdxjf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.245.11.251 (talk) 17:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
"In popular culture" (Trivia section)
editThe "In popular culture" section has been removed as it offered nothing more than an list of commercial media products in which Flamel is claimed to have been mentioned. No context was given on any of the entries and no citations were provided either.
I have written a sentence relating to the mention of Flamel in the first Harry Potter book as I managed to find a reliable source that makes the context and notability of the mention clear. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 09:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Suggest Merger (2016)
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This whole article should be merged with Harry_Potter_fandom. It's not noteworthy otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.69.11 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
- That's a rather weird statement, since he has a street named after him, his house is a recognized landmark, and several non-Potter fiction feature him in various statements. Are you sure you're not too Potter obsessed? Just delete all the Potter references.
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