User talk:MissingNOOO

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		For dedicated cleanup on Fighting game You Can't See Me! 22:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! When I first encountered that article, I got halfway through editing the instances of second-person pronouns before giving up and slapping that huge "issues" tag on it. So today, I decided to check on the article and noticed your name 10 15 20 24 times in the page's recent history and noticed the massive edits and revisions to the page since then. You, my friend, are gifted with the power of patience that I envy! :)

Enjoy the first barnstar that I have ever given out! Regards, You Can't See Me! 22:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to keep that around, you need to add real world information. Adding references for in-universe only makes it more suitable for a fan wiki. TTN 14:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please make it a priority to add that information. Without it, the article is nothing more than a transwiki candidate. TTN 15:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm going to have patience, I need something to actually hold me over. All you have given is your word, which is no where near reliable. Do you know exactly how many times the same false promise is made all over the place? It's probably been fulfilled less than five percent of the time. Would you care to show at least one of the sources you have available? TTN 15:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the same promise is made all of the time. That source does not seem to provide real world information, so it really doesn't matter (unless you can point some out for me). Consensus is found in WP:FICT, which is the child of WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS. A small "consensus" does not override that. So please either provide real world information, or copy it to a sandbox and let it go until you can provide it. TTN 16:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you have access to this information, please start utilizing it before moving on to sprucing up the sections. We're not in a rush, but there is no reason to waste time if the page just becomes a redirect again. TTN 16:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you do not actually have any real world information on the characters (the games may be in magazines, but that doesn't mean that the characters will be mentioned) directly available to you? You cannot just say "Oh, they'll be there when I get to it." Please just provide some, so I can go away, and leave you be. TTN 21:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have brought back an article that was redirected for months because of a lack of sources, and you have absolutely nothing to start off of with at all. That is the real issue. You have not provided a thing to assert notability, and you seem to have absolutely no intent in doing so, especially if you're willing to lie about it. If this was a new article that you just created, I could probably give a little slack, but you seemed to know what you were doing. TTN 22:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I looked over that site, and I have searched on Yahoo!, Google, and some other search engine in the past (before creating that list in the first place), and I have found nothing relating to the creation, development, or the reception of single characters or the characters as a whole. Those are the only indicators of notability, by the way. I'm claiming that you have lied because you said that you had sources available with real world information, but later took that back and claimed that "They'll be available if I search a little". I am just asking for two sentences or the inclusion of one of the sources in the article; I'm not asking for FA/FL quality here. You haven't given even that much. TTN 22:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is so special about you that I should just believe your word without any proof? If I did that for just anyone, I wouldn't get anywhere. The article existed a number of months after I created it, and that was plenty of time for it to flourish. Now it is you we have to wait on, and as it is your job to assert notability, you need to assert it. All you have done is speculate that there may be sources; that is not good at all. TTN 22:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have sort of killed any reason to assume good faith at this point. You have given nothing to set your word apart from any other person's word. The fact that you believe that the information exists is not even an assertion of notability. Please just point out one single sentence, and I will be fine with leaving that for a while. That's all I need. TTN 23:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fansites are not reliable sources. Topics must establish themselves with real world information relating directly to the subject. Otherwise, they need to remain a part of a larger topic. Please read WP:FICT and WP:WAF thoroughly if that is your view on them (note "substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources" in FICT). A good read of WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:N would also help. TTN 00:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources have to be used in the article to establish notability. You need what is given in Characters of Final Fantasy VIII: development and reception information backed by reliable sources. As long as there is a good chunk of it, in-universe information can be given more space (though the other way around is more preferable). If you do not have the information available to you, can you please just create User:MissingNOOO/Sandbox, User:MissingNOOO/List of Samurai Shodown character, or something like that, and copy the article over? There you can work on formatting it as you would like, and if you do find the real world information to back it, you can copy that over and work from there. Otherwise, you can just move it over to another wiki. TTN 00:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anything directly from the creators, character designers, and others talking about how single characters are created, developed, and tweaked, and the process that goes into developing the characters as a whole would be one thing. Another would be utilizing reviews of the various games that give specific praises and "frowns" to the characters themselves ("new characters are good or unoriginal" or "the design team seems to be running out of original character designs" for example). You will need a good chunk of those to warrant an article. TTN 14:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is pretty hard getting specific development information for Samurai Shodown. For one, most of the development info is either in their out-of-print specific game books, their old deleted company website, or within long deleted blogs from the series creators. Since this series is nowhere near as popular as KOF, it's harder to find info on it. Since I want more people to be involved and I am way too behind in my classes to contribute, I'll share what I found with you.

First off, here's (most of) the official illustraitor websites that may help in info scrounging:

Senri Kita, illustraitor for SS64+WR series, http://xt.sakura.ne.jp/~yan/scribble/top.html

Eiji Shiori, his website, http://royalhunter.com/home.html

Shiro Ohno, illustraitor for SSRPG, http://s-ohno.sakura.ne.jp/index.shtml

Aoi Nanase, SS64 OVA character designer, http://aoinanase.typepad.jp/

Takusan, SSZero Character Illustraitor, http://www.aqualoft.com/nako/

Naohisa, Newest samurai shodown logo creator, http://naoq.com/

Nanase is a little critical for the newer character designs in SSZero and 3d game here, http://blog.surpara.com/aoinanase/. I didn't really bother trying to find much else on other sites but please try them anyways.

Developmet info that I found (with one review site):

Not too subtle tip off to Cham Cham being created around same time as Darkstalker character Felicia (in English): http://samuraianiv.snkplaymore.co.jp/english/column/index.php (4th one).

Cham Cham slot game report/preview done by an online interview with some trivia to developments http://www.ps-station.tv/douga/snk_cham/index.html (streaming videos)

Illustraitors Senri Kita and Eiji Shiroi discussing and taking their spin on certain topics. Mention some development issues and preferences for characters. Found off the mirror site of SSWR. http://www.personal.triticom.com/~erm/www.neogeo.co.jp/samurai/taitop.html

Images of SSV (Zero?) Concept Development of characters on its website. http://samurai-zero.jp/ (for simplicity sake, look in Zero section and click 4th icon; footnotes in images done by Watsuki)

Nakoruru changing the world. :P Snk's community outlet for helping children grow up with better self conscious. Nakoruru and Terry Club http://www.snkplaymore.co.jp/nakoruru_terry_club/index.php

A database with these links can be found here: http://snk-database.hp.infoseek.co.jp/link-official.html

Not official but a dedicated fan that is quick on info: http://hw001.gate01.com/rimururu/

These are links to various review sites based around the games (please add citations to other articles of the series if they apply)

http://www.igirg.com/spirits/spirits.html

http://psx.ign.com/objects/000/000101.html

http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/samurai-shodown-series

http://www.vc-reviews.com/review/588/samurai-shodown.php

http://www.highervoltage.net/herv5/2006/10/01/review-samurai-shodown-4/

http://psx.ign.com/articles/163/163533p1.html

http://www.gamecritics.com/review/samshov/main.php

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/samurai-shodown-v/683067p1.html

http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/xbox/samurai_shodown_v

I'm not very good citing sources but these links should alleviate some of the info finding stress. Good luck editing everything. Hope you can find other sources. :) Sake neko 08:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here: User:MissingNOOO/List_of_Samurai_Shodown_Characters

As of now, the article's unfit for Wikipedia. Use those links and your own knowledge to fix up the article and recreate it, if you would. Tips:

• Stop using present-tense. Cham Cham is not currently stealing that stone thing.
• Out of universe-style, use it. Refer to characters as "The character ___" or something similar.
• Add information on how the characters play, what they use as weapons, what games they're included in, etc if possbile. For all the characters. This article shouldn't just be about the characters' backstories. Also, add more VAs and which one played the character in each game.
• Don't use words like "recently" when describing a character's backstory. Specifify what game in the series that event occured in.
• Cut out any useless characters like random minions and sub-bosses who don't play a large role in the individual game or series.

I don't know anything about this series, so I'll leave this to you and other users who can edit this article better than I can. Get to it. - The Norse 22:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can't use present tense to describe a fictional character's life... it just doesn't work. Especially since there are tons and tons of Samurai Shodown games, I have no idea what what events in what game the article is talking about. Try sentences like "In the most recent games, ____ has been doing ____." You have to assume at all times that the person reading your article has very little to no knowledge of the subject, it's called "encylopedic tone" or something and it's in one of Wiki's millions of guidelines somwhere. - The Norse 03:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no rush, take your time. I'm sure there are other SS fans on Wiki that can help too. - The Norse 00:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any ida how to stop this guy? Please contact me on my talk page if you'd like to coordinate something (anything). --HanzoHattori (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's in arbitration already, and that's the best we can do for now. I refuse to stoop to the level of TTN's M.O.

(Do not reply to this unless you are Hanzo and have more to say, I've seen what everyone else thinks already). -MissingNOOO 05:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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And no, you weren't being a "jackass", so don't worry! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's cool. I figured Street Fighter is a better general representation of fighting games then KOF. It's fine either way. Thanks for the heads up though. --Endless Dan 21:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was never much of an SNK fan. I loved Fatal Fury when it first came out, but was never much of a KOF fan (despite owning several different years). However CAPCOM vs. SNK 2 is my favorite fighter (2D or 3D) ever.

A short/sweet little message, which I hope has made your day better! Happy Valentine's Day!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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