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Former good article nomineeTunisian revolution was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
January 20, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on February 28, 2011.
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on December 18, 2013, December 18, 2018, and January 14, 2022.

led poisoning :)

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Too many uses of the word "led" in the opening paragraphs.... And anyway, isn't the use of this word somewhat not NPOV? --Rebroad (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The last part of the article's introduction does not seem to be referenced with a link/fact to back it up.

"Following further public protests, Ghannouchi himself resigned on 27 February, and Béji Caïd Essebsi became Prime Minister; two other members of the Interim Government resigned on the following day. On 3 March 2011, the president announced the elections for the Constituent Assembly, which were held on 23 October 2011 with the Islamist Ennahda Party winning the plurality of seats."

I think there should be a source added to these statements to make sure they can be fact-checked by other editors and readers.


Also, in the subsection "Impact of the Internet," the phrase "A blog associated with Wired described the intricate efforts of the Tunisian authorities to control such online media as[195] Twitter and Facebook" doesn't really point out what the blog describes the efforts as, it just mentions that the blog discussed the efforts of authorities. Markaberk (talk) 18:15, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology is out

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I propose to reorder some sections of this article unless some else does it first, or there are clear reasons for not doing so. It does not follow chronological order, so that issues involving the post Ben Ali government are discussed before his removal is described. Effectively much of secti three needs to be moved to later in the article. Mccapra (talk) 00:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now done and the content presented as a timeline

Aftermath

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This article has a short section called 'Aftermath'. This contains a couple of points which really have no direct relation to the 2011 revolution or the events described in the rest of the article. I propose to cut this section altogether and move the material to other articles where it is a better fit.Mccapra (talk) 08:21, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 April 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is no policy base given for the requested move. I don't see any chance that a consensus to move will develop, especially considering a potential violation of WP:NPOV. Hence, this. is a snow close. (non-admin closure) Estar8806 (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tunisian Revolution → Tunisian Revolution of Dignity – This is the common name which is more respectful to the Tunisian people. LichCake (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 20:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tunisian Revolution → Tunisian revolution – Since it's not consistently capitalized in sources, per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, we shouldn't be dressing it up as a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 7 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– WP:COMMONNAME Kolano123 (talk) 20:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: There was just an agreement a few months ago to use lowercase for "revolution". The proposal switches this back to uppercase, for both pages, but no explanation was provided to justify that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    BarrelProof, the n-grams for 'Jasmine Revolution', the suggestion of this RM, show that the name is properly uppercased. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The capitalization was the subject of a very recent RM. It should not be rehashed. This discussion should primarily be about whether 'Tunisian' should be changed to 'Jasmine'. The uppercase/lowercase decision should be left alone, since that just complicates the discussion and was already very recently discussed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note that capitalization is your reasoning to oppose this RM, which brought the topic into the discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Capitalization is not the reason I am opposed here. I have expressed two reasons for opposition, neither of which is the capitalization change itself. One of them is the process issue of the short period of time since the last RM about the capitalization aspect of the proposal, and the other is the lack of clarity that would be introduced by removing the country name from the title (as expressed below). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I read your opening comment above as opposing the RM because of capitalization and you asking for an explanation. That made me curious about the capitalization of 'Jasmine Revolution' which, as it turns out, is accurately uppercased, and I provided an explanation. Which doesn't mean or imply that I support the premise of this RM, and appreciate Cinderella57's reasoning below. Was just pointing out that you were wrong in your assessment of the casing of Jasmine Revolution, with no intent to sidetrack a discussion which you had already moved to an alternate track. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Randy Kryn: While I still oppose the replacement of 'Tunisian' with with 'Jasmine' (for the clarity reason expressed below), I can't continue to justify some of my comments about capitalization. I now see no good reason for me to assume that lowercase should have priority for the 'Jasmine' title. I apologize for that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 11:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks BarrelProof. As to the discussion, it seems a major point for keeping the present name is that, per the page, the name 'Jasmine Revolution' was not widely adopted in Tunesia (you'd think the populace would know the accepted name of their country's revolution). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The nom has provided no evidence to substantiate the claim of WP:COMMONNAME. However, this ngram indicates that, while both titles were equally common, the current name is now more common (note that dates earlier than 2010 are a product of smoothing). The proposed title is also less WP:PRECISE as it requires disambiguation, while the present title does not. Cinderella157 (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see many sources calling it Jasmine Revolution. Kolano123 (talk) 16:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Many sources probably do, but apparently not an overwhelming majority, and from the graph provided by Cinderella157, it might not even be a majority. Moreover, an advantage of the current title is that it is very clear at a glance that the subject is about Tunisia. That is not clear from the proposed title. Wikipedia guidelines say that when there are multiple names for a topic and there is some problem with one of those names (such as a lack of clarity for readers who are not already familiar with the topic), it is OK to choose one of the other names for that reason. In this case, "Tunisian" succinctly provides essential information to unfamiliar readers so that they can see what the article is about. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as sources appear to contradict the COMMONNAME claim. Dicklyon (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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