Talk:Isetta

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of BMW 300 (Isetta) was copied or moved into Isetta with this edit on 20:37, 12 June 2010. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

I do not know if I did this correctly.

I was trying to correct the page "BMW Isetta" which only covered the German built Isettas.

Regards - Oldfarm 02:03, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have scanned a photograph by me of a Spanish Iso Isetta from 1954 from the front-right and from the right side. It was made in a museum so it suffers from the car being too lit by the flash with the background being too dark. If you think that the article lacks pictures, tell me, and try to enhance the pic and upload it. --Error 20:56, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If someone likes any of these pictures there are available to include in the article. I took these of a vehicle I saw on the street in Bad Tolz in around 1987. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dcsutherland Dcsutherland (talk) 02:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the link/spam for United Bimmer from this article. The Isseta appears only once on the forums, as an aside, and there is no detailed section dedicated to the Isetta at all. Basically, someone wants to drive (pun intended) traffic to a site that, while affiliated with BMW automobiles/owners/admirers, has nothing to do with this topic. --Sirimiri 05:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

-- I agree Oldfarm 14:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anyone can tell me the real meaning or the orgin of this word, isetta? thanx!

From the article: "By 1952 the engineers Ermenegildo Preti and Pierluigi Raggi had designed a small car that used the scooter engine and named it Isetta — an Italian diminutive meaning little ISO." Oldfarm 12:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find a working link for the UK firm that makes (or made?) the 'Zetta' kit referenced in this article. I'm leaving the reference in place, as I do not have time to research it right now. Someone may want to see if the demise of this company can be confirmed and re-write (or delete) the reference.

The link was good a few weeks ago. It seems that the link has now disappeared. Let's leave it for 30 days and try again then. Oldfarm 17:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The picture of the "Romi-Isetta" in Havana appears to depict a BMW 600 or a vehicle similar to it. Its rear track is similar in width to its front track, and it appears to have a back seat. Did Romi-Isetta make a car similar to the BMW 600? Respectfully, SamBlob 16:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The text in this section is pasted from an article on the web. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.136.31 (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed it. 131.107.0.73 (talk) 20:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Surely it's not right to describe 'Sargwagen' as 'literally meaning coffin on wheels' ? It doesn't - I would have thought that it means something more like Coffin-car ? PateraIncus (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A way more common nickname for the BMW Isetta was "Schlaglochsucher" (pothole-seeker) due to the differing wheel base on the front and tail wheels.--80.171.19.110 (talk) 08:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wheelbase bedeutet Radstand. I think you mean (in English) Track. But this does affect your point which is interesting in a light hearted sort of way.... Charles01 (talk) 08:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or "Advent car", after the Advent coral "lift up your heads, ye mighty gates", in German: "lift up the door", because of its peculiar way of entering it.--2001:A60:1570:3B01:D09C:DCC4:4E0D:C0B5 (talk) 18:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wsant there aq small tru wheeled "car" Made by famous Mserscehmiit co before the isetta? Thanks!

Both the German Messerschmitt and the Italian Isetta vehicles came out in1953. See: KR175 / KR200.... Oldfarm (talk) 15:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand why most of the others were removed, but why was the entire section, including the Family Matters and the Urkel car, removed? Not only is "Urkel car" a redirect here, but this car is widely recognized as the car that he uses. —Onore Baka Sama^{(speak | stalk)} 17:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A mention on that article seems enough. I'm generally opposed to pop/trivia sections, they contribute nothing to the understanding of the subject and smack of vanity editing. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 00:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page should definitely mention Family Matters because many people (not just Americans, because Family Matters was syndicated in a lot of markets) are only familiar with this car because of that show. It's not like many of that car are driving around on the streets now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.44.116 (talk) 05:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"The guideline that has been widely accepted for automotive subjects is that mention of pop-culture references should be strictly limited to cases where the fact of that reference influenced the sales, design or other tangible aspect of the vehicle. It is not sufficient to note that the vehicle had a major influence on its owner or some movie or TV show—such facts belong in the article about the owner, movie or TV show." – from WP:WPACT

Appearance on Family Matters could not have influenced the sales of the Isetta because production of the Isetta ended long before Family Matters was aired.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The BMW Isetta was in 1955 the world's first mass-production 3-liter car." I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 (talk) 17:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So whats an earlier one? -->Typ932 ^T·C 17:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where the Isetta is concerned, the size of the car itself was like 3 liters. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The term "three-litre car" refers to a car's capability to run for 100 km with 3 litres of fuel. Not used very much in Anglosaxon countries that use mpg, but I believe it's a term that has recently been brought back from the fifties by German manufacturers. Egg carton (talk) 12:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my view most of the content of that section is copied directly from a web site and not paraphrased. http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/isettacarro.html The Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum

Quote from the site: "Type Autocarro, a commercial version with full-width rear axle. ... The Autocarro was offered in several body styles, a flatbed pickup, enclosed truck (Furgone Commerciale), a tilt-bed, or even a fire engine!

This was an extremely popular type of vehicle in Italy, and numerous manufacturers produced some variant of the type. This included Iso themselves, having previously (1950-1953) produced a motorcycle-type Isocarro. The Iso Autocarro was larger than most, with its four-wheel layout, proper rear axle with differential and leaf springs, and massive tube frame. It was good for a 500 to 600 kg load. The name Isetta Autocarro was also used." Peter K Burian (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I have no reference for it, but I can remember as a child about 1955 seeing a 3-wheel Isetta model in an automobile show room in Memphis, Tennessee. Perhaps someone can find a reference to a US import model? --Zeamays (talk) 23:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Old location

 – User talk:Peaceray#Isseta

Hi there, concerning your reversion of the information about Isetta's being produced in Argentina, this is an error on the source page. "Isetta" was a term also used briefly by BMW for the BMW 600 in some of their advertising literature. De Carlo did have a licence for the BMW 600 (see De Carlo 600) on the same source. This source https://autohistoria.com.ar/marcas-de-autos/de-carlo/ provides another overview of the full scope of De Carlo's output. Mighty Antar (talk) 20:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This concerns my reversion edit on the Isetta page, & Mighty Antar was directing the question to me.

I have come across other sources that indicate that Metalmecánica [de] did manufacture the Isetta in Argentina.

• "1956 BMW Isetta 300". Audrain Auto Museum. Retrieved 2024-11-09.
• "BMW Isetta: The Iconic Bubble Car is The World's First Microcar". themindcircle. 2019-10-28. Retrieved 2024-11-09.:*Axon, Gary (2019-08-02). "Isetta – the terrible car that saved BMW". Goodwood. Retrieved 2024-11-09.
• Bianchini, Riccardo (2019-10-04). "The history of the ISO/BMW Isetta, the world's first microcar". Inexhibit. Retrieved 2024-11-09.
• Radu, Vlad (2021-07-28). "The Isetta Story: How an Italian-Designed Microcar Saved BMW From Bankruptcy". autoevolution. Retrieved 2024-11-09.

I will note that fr:Isetta, a featured article on French Wikipedia, does not mention Argentina at all. However, with no citation, the Spanish Wikipedia article, es:Isetta states:

Fuera de Alemania, en Argentina la firma Metalmecánica SAIC bajo la marca de Carlo fabricó 1413 Isettas 600. [Outside Germany, in Argentina, the Metalmecánica SAIC firm under the Carlo brand manufactured 1,413 Isettas 600.]

I am far from a vintage car aficionado. However, I will ask for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles & perhaps the talk pages on a couple other language versions of Isetta. But for now, the preponderence of sources do seem to indicate that some form of the Isetta was manufactured in Argentina. Peaceray (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put notices on es:Discusión:Isetta, fr:Discussion:Isetta, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Argentina, & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles. Peaceray (talk) 23:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is more difficult to prove a negative, but as I stated above, the confusion here is between the 4-seat BMW 600 and the 2-seat BMW Isetta. The four sources above all appear after the material about Argentinia production of an "Isetta" was added to this page in November 2017 using an almost verbatim translation of the Autohistoria source shown above. It is an understandable confusion, the BMW 600 began life in 1956 under the colloquial name of the "extended Isetta". It used some Isetta components and at least in the UK was referred to in 1957 as the Isetta 600 in official publications and its launch at the UK Motor Show. Nevertheless, the 2-seat Isetta that this page is about is notable for its absence from the individual vehicles that the otherwise very dependable Autohistoria page shows as being produced by Metalmecánica S.A.I.C..Mighty Antar (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be correct in surmising that those sources might be a case of citogenesis. Let's give a weeks time to see if we can get any input from editors from the WikiProjects or eswiki or frwiki. Peaceray (talk) 18:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also suspecting that rather than "BMW 600", that model may have been manufactured in Argentina under the name "BMW Isetta 600":

1959 – De Carlor, importador de motos BMW, empieza a ensamblar el BMW Isetta 600 y BMW 700; llegan hasta 1965; [1959 – De Carlo, a BMW motorcycle importer, begins assembling the BMW Isetta 600 and BMW 700; they continue until 1965;]^[1]: 10

and from the same source:

Los primeros coches armados fueron los BMW Isetta 600, los caules se produjeron entre 1959 y 1960 en modestas cantidades – unidades armadas-. [The first armed cars were the BMW Isetta 600, the cars were produced between 1959 and 1960 in modest quantities – armed units.]^[1]: 49

It may be that we need to add an explanatory footnote to the article that codifies this.

Peaceray (talk) 19:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]