Talk:Gordion

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There are a few issues here. First, Wikipedia articles must be based on scholarly sources. You might have your opinion, and you might even be right, but that is not relevant for Wikipedia; see WP:Verify. Second, the only two scholarly sources that I know of for the archaeological date are Voigt and Muscarella (Keenan does not debate archaeology); neither of those cites the other (perhaps due to their close timing); so, based on available scholarly sources, all that can be said is that the archaeology-based date is disputed. Third, for radiocarbon, there is no scholarly source that I know of that disputes Keenan's work; hence the article should base its discussion on that. Fourth, for dendrochronology, there is no scholarly source that disputes the work of Kuniholm as reported by DeVries et al. (Keenan seems to have disputed this on his personal web site, but I do not believe that counts as a scholarly source).  81.158.197.6 (talk) 14:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of "I know" and "I believe" here for someone who isn't even logged in. The gist of the debate over dates, reflected in Voigt and in Muscarella, would certainly be a welcome addition. That there is debate is less fascinating for the Wikipedia reader. --Wetman (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have put a new version of the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gordium/Temp
The new version is nowhere near as good as the old version, but at least it should avoid the problems with copyright. Hopefully, someone will improve it.
Opensensestep (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new version of the article utilizes some text from the earlier version. Attribution history is required to comply with the licensing of GFDL. Specific attribution for the text, reflecting all additions of creative text, is as follows:

• Edit on 31 July 2004 by User:RecepY: "Capital of ancient Phrygia, modern Yassihüyük. It is located about 70-80 km southwest of modern Ankara (capital of Turkey) near town Polatli. The ancient city is also called Gordiyon in Turkey." contributed
• Edit on 17 March 2006 by User:Smyrniot: "Gordium was the capital of ancient Phrygia, modern Yassihüyük. It is located about 70-80 km southwest of modern Ankara (capital of Turkey), in the immediate vicinity of Polatlı district. The ancient city is also called Gordiyon in Turkey."
• Edit on 29 June 2007 by User:Johnpacklambert: "Gordium (Greek: Gordion) was the capital of ancient Phrygia. It was located at the site of modern Yassihüyük. It is located about 70-80 km southwest of modern Ankara (capital of Turkey), in the immediate vicinity of Polatlı district. The ancient city is also called Gordiyon in Turkey."
• Edit on 29 May 2008 by User:Wetman: "Gordium (Greek: Gordion, Turkish Gordiyon) was the capital of ancient Phrygia. It was located at the site of modern Yassihüyük, about 70-80 km southwest of Ankara (capital of Turkey), in the immediate vicinity of Polatlı district."

All other changes in the evolution of that text are minimal. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits for accuracy, to expand the article, and to add references. There is much, much more that could be said about this fascinating site.E. S. V. Leigh (talk) 05:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't anybody else published anything suitable for the "Further reading" section? User:Pennconlab has made some WP:COI additions and I was going to trim these, but there wouldn't be much left if I had. Views, before I have another go? --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is the article titled Gordium when the more common name is Gordion? Even every reference used in the article prefers "Gordion" as the primary name (and the more common name is what Wikipedia prefers articles to use, per guidelines). — al-Shimoni (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because Gordium is the Latin name for Gordion, (Γόρδιον) and hence is the traditional romanization (in the most literal sense). This is a common pattern with Greek words adapted into Latin; e.g., κρανίον (kraníon) -> cranium. For other cities, note that Ζεφῠ́ρῐον (Zephúrion) -> Zephyrium (now Mersin.) Most Greek words ending in -ιον / -ion were Latinized as -ium. Sources like Google NGram viewer suggest that Gordium was more common in English until the mid 20th century, and both still coexist, though Gordion has become decidedly more popular in the last few decades, similar to other place names. So Gordion is the correct name for the article, but you can understand that there are still plenty of sources out there that use the Latinized name.