Talk:Emir

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Emir: Originally from the Classical Egyptian c. 3,000 B.C., from the word "imy-r" (Overseer). Literally, "in the mouth of." The title was applied to agents of the king (Pharoah = "pr Ah-ah" Great House) who were entrusted with high administrative responsibilities.

The classical hieroglyph depicts an owl "im or m" (preposition "in") and an oval representing a mouth "r" (noun meaning "mouth").

In prehistoric times, the word imy-r was written as an ox tongue and meant "in the mouth." Over time the word was given a phonetic spelling.

See, Chap. V, para 79 "Egyptian Grammar" 3d ed., by Sit Alan Gardiner; Griffith Institute, Ashmolean Museum, Oxford. Also, see, "A Concise Dictionary of Middle Egyptian" by Raymond o. Faulkner; P. 18. Griffith Institute, University Press,and Oxford.

Amir also means Feeder or who provides the daily bread.The root of it in arabic is "maara" and "namiro" means "we provide foods" in Quranic verses surat Yusuf is a verb derived from this root. Later it closed as a title to the rulers because they are suprvisors or channels of public spending.

source from one of speeches of Javadi Amoli

THAT COLOR PHOTOGRAPH COULDN'T HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN 1909! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE; HOW COULD COLOR PHOTOGRAPHY HAVE BEEN SO GOOD IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD, YET STAY BLACK & WHITE IN OURS????Shultz 04:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Colorization? Yanksta x 02:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC) For anyone else who comes along wondering: it displays artefacts suggesting a multiple-exposure method. See colour photography; note especially the Russian examples from the same time period. Ahruman 15:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to make the sentences flow a little better but in doing so I might have inadvertently altered some facts--there were some sections that were quite hard to follow, and i just ended up writing what I was *pretty sure* the author meant. Please let me know if anything is wrong. Thanks. Psp 05:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Having written much of the page, as an allophone quite possibly without a good feel for the 'flow', I can reassure you that you've done a better job then most self-proclaimed 'copy-editors' and seem to be a good reader: my congratulations. I'll do just the minor fitting now, but hope to elaborate on the still rather embryonic content later. Fastifex 10:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not have been moved in the way it was; just because someone with a negligible contribs history (and no contribs at all to the article in question) says it's wrong doesn't make it so. This article used "Emir" preferentially until an anon recently changed it. Please move the article back the way it was, and Amrix can follow the proper procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves, which involves building consensus. Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like a simple transliteration issue to me. When is the Arabic letter alif ever transliterated e? —Keenan Pepper 22:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not debating which name is appropriate; I'm asking that consensus for the move be obtained before the move is made. Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Obviously, it's already been moved once. How can concensus be obtained without debating which name is appropriate? —Keenan Pepper 22:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Finlay's point is that your "speedy move" should be reversed as being 'out of process' regardless of which name is "appropriate"; and that the article should only be moved if a request is posted at requested moves and the consensus is that "amir" is appropriate. 24.18.215.132 00:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Initially, when I made a search for Amir, I was redirected to a Wiki page Emir, with the article title Amir, hence the reason I made the request for the change, to make it less confusing. Emir is a original english translation of the arabic word, which is a bad translation. --Amrix 03:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with you making the request, based on your beliefs/opinions. However, since the move is obviously NOT 'uncontroversial', it should have been posted at Wikipedia:Requested moves to determine consensus, before it was just unilaterly moved. 24.18.215.132 03:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although "amir" is the proper transliteration of the Arabic word, "emir" has been an English word since the 17th century. In the article, "emir" is used in the (English) titles "Emir of Kuwait", "Emir of Qatar", etc. while "amir" is only used in direct transliterations from Arabic, like "Amir al-Umara" and "al-Amir al-Hakim". Therefore, because of WP:UE, I've moved the page back to Emir. Feel free to request a move at WP:RM. Eugène van der Pijll 09:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the relevant post. I would like to recommend the following reading relating to this proposal: (alif and Arabic_transliteration). Amrix 11:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 

I do figure that there's a connection between the British name & the Arab title; but, I don't know how:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emyr_Jones_Parry >.

Hopiakuta 18:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When did the meaning of the word change from "commander or leader" to a title of governors or rulers? How about Marwan I, for instance, who is called "governor" before he became Caliph in the wp-article? --Jonund (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"In addition to being a Hebrew name, Amir is also a common Muslim male name for both Arab and non-Arab Muslims"

its a Hebrew name, oh yes and by the way some Muslims use it.

come on. Elie (talk) 23:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was going to be my question. We are told throughout the article that amir has Arabic roots, and this lone statement comes out of left field claiming Hebrew roots? Clearly there is a distinguishment between Arabic and Islam, maybe that is what they meant? I will change it if no one minds? 146.235.66.52 (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you bastards ignore the consort of cuchulainn' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.94.22 (talk) 06:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article sounds more like a Wiktionary definition than a comprehensive encyclopedic article. Does anyone else think so? 69.181.132.230 (talk) 03:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The page uses the word "prince" as the closest translation for "emir" but a prince, in common parlance, is the name for the son of a king, who will eventually succeed his father as king. I'm just curious why the proper translation isn't "king," generally used to refer to a ruler of a country rather than his male heir? Critterkeeper (talk) 03:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:European Market Infrastructure Regulation - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. -France3470 (talk) 14:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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in Arabic it's Ameer NOT EmirImad_J (talk) 20:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As already explained in the move discussion, "emir" is the English counterpart of the Arabic word. Since this is the English-language WP and not the Arabix WP, the English word is used.

And BTW, "Ameer", written in Latin letters and with the American "eer" syllable is far from being Arabic either. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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