Talk:Death and the Miser

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this section, the bulk of which was originally added in January 2011, being careful to keep the part of the paragraph supported by the citation, i.e. the undecided outcome of the contest for the dying man's soul.

The copyedit is an improvement, but I'd like references for (at least) Death being dressed like a prostitute, the implication of venereal disease, and the fist-shaped bed curtain representing Anger. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Brian (who suggested we post here); uh the Bosch articles tend to draw a lot of fringe and esoteric edits, and there was a lot of bother about two years ago with one paticular book that saw unlikely sexual readings into nearly every symbol and it got reproduced verbatum into the sub articles. Not on this article, mind, but it was a problem and a time sink to contain back then; so you can imagine we are still a little testy. Webmuseums is not a great source, and seems to be used to support the closing statements of the para only. A lot of the rest seems to be a compendium of personal readings. Ceoil (talk) 17:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. After reviewing the sources available, it looks like I was a bit hasty in reverting the removal. I'm often of the mindset in which one in-line citation covers all information in a paragraph, up to the last in-line citation, and forget that random editors can stick in all kinds of stuff. Go ahead and remove all that un-referenced and questionable interpretive stuff. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I wouldnt mind leaving it intact for a bit and maybe trying to keep at least some. As I say I dont think it came from fringe, but from different editors, some informed some guessing. I'd be willing to look up what I have, cite what I can, and remove the rest as you say. Ceoil (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think whoever added the passage was probably relying on something he read somewhere, or perhaps heard in a lecture. I took it out (and saved it in a text file to research further), because I was trying to clean up the section and didn't feel justified leaving them in without a reference. I'm a lot more comfortable with the way it reads now - with less certainty and more explanation - though I'd still like to get refs on these, if only to read them for pleasure. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

that interesting book the Secret Heresy of Hieronymus Bosch - it was more like 'unlikely religious readings' anyhow - and was hardly a time sink to contain -- Modernist just deleted everything and a bit of arguing on the earthly delights page . what i should've done was start an article on the book, which i may do Sayerslle (talk) 19:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1]. I've come to respect you since Sayerslle, but bout time you realised that. There is a difference of the small matter of fact between interpratition and projection. You might actually do it, beside annoying others across a span of pages. Ceoil (talk) 19:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was my first foray - I still have a habit of over-quoting - maybe in that book the writer did over project and stray - but it was provocative and interesting - Thanks btw, -over the years I've come to respect you , and Modernist - Sayerslle (talk) 19:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dude I got slapped too in my first 100 edits, on black metal of all things. I think what happens with a lot of people is that you read sonmething in a book, find wiki, set up a wiki username, find things are strick here, and then find yourself defined by thoes eaqrly edits. Bygones for sure and if you can help with this page, even with a copy rdit, you'd be more than welcome. If not, keep on going. Ceoil (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 31 August 2020 and 16 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Zexianna (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Rmmiller364 (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing something, or does the article really not tell how big the painting is??? Dimensions, please! HandsomeMrToad (talk) 14:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, though a click on ref 1,and you could have done it yourself. Johnbod (talk) 17:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]