Talk:Castlevania: Lords of Shadow

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This article has to be retitled to Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, seeming as the game has now been rebranded with the Castlevania franchise. (Mr Wesker (talk) 00:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I think that it's significant to note that Lords of Shadow had shipped over a million copies to the US and Europe in a little over a month after it's release, suggesting that the game was a financial success! http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/22/konami-ships-1-million-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-copies/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.136.133 (talk) 20:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 14:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be glad to review this one. I picked this up last year to entertain me through a prolonged illness, and I'm truly ashamed to say how many hours I spent playing it. Initial comments to follow in the next 1-3 days--thanks in advance for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This looks strong overall and close to ready for promotion. It covers the major aspects and seems largely well sourced, though 1-2 quotations still need citation (below), and I want to double-check the reliability of a few sources. I've did some minor cleanup for grammar, and also made a few fixes for brevity; if you object to any, please feel free to revert. Thanks again for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• " Castlevania series of the franchise developed" -- Is Castlevania part of a larger franchise? This sentence confused me a bit.
• "to keep their plans ... from upstaging their other series release" -- the pronoun "their" has no clear referent here--Konami's? Designers'?
• "abilities, best known as magic" -- are all the abilities known as magic in the game? (I can't remember). It may be best to just write "health or magic abilities" here.
• "David Cox stated the game is a reboot of the franchise" -- who is David Cox?
• "They eventually asked them" -- clarify pronouns
• " David Cox showed the Japanese senior management the game and was offered help by Hideo Kojima." -- who is Hideo Kojima?
• "Cox mentioned "you can see a little bit" of Robert Carlyle's visage in Gabriel, who provides the voice for the character" -- this quotation doesn't seem to have a citation
• "that he has otherwise allowed them" -- who is he and who is them here? I'm guessing "Kojima" and "the team", but a pronoun should always refer back to the last eligible noun.
• "The gaming press drew comparisons between the art style and Guillermo del Toro's work" -- probably shouldn't write "the gaming press", but rather "one critic" or "Videogamer.com" or some such.
• " "What could have been an 'in and out' voiceover job for them wasn't. Instead, their love of the script and praise saw them developing their characters and working through the motivations for them."" -- this quotation needs context -- say whose opinion this is in text.
• "GamesMaster described the game as "a strong contender for action game of the year. The triumphant reimagining the series has always deserved."" -- this quotation appears to need citation -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• It's best that the lead touch on all sections of the article--can you add quick references to the soundtrack and the planned sequels?

Thanks for the review. I've made some touches to the article including:

• Expanding the lead to include the two sequels and the composer
• Some prose fixes you requested to specify pronouns.
• Description of Kojima and Cox
• About Robert Carlyle's performance I had to modify the sentence as I was unable to find the original quote.
• Gave context to the quote involving voice actors.
• Replaced GamesMaster' review with GamesRadar's review.

I've thought about adding a gameplay image but I'm afraid it would clash with the text and the infobox. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Some minor prose cleanup still needed.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	See note above about lead
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	The article appears to need inline citations for several quotations. I'd like to doublecheck the reliability of a few sources, too. Some sources, such as Ripten and Gaming Target, seem to be borderline as RSs. However, these support claims that don't require inline citations from reliable sources.
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	It would be lovely to add a screenshot or two, but isn't necessary for GA.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pass as GA

Sorry for my silence here, I've been trying to figure out how to check the reliability of some of these web publications. Thanks for your fixes to the points above. Re: Ref 77, Cox's Twitter account would be a self-published source here; can we find a secondary source that mentions this award? -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the twitter link with an article from Kojima Productions.Tintor2 (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better, but we're still relying on the company itself to say the awards they won, correct? Can we find a secondary source that mentions this? If there's no secondary source, I wonder if it's even worth including here. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. GameSpot does not have that award archived.Tintor2 (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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