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A fact from Bread and salt appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 June 2006. The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that bread and salt is a traditional greeting ceremony (pictured) symbolizing hospitality in Slavic countries? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/June.

It is also an essential part of every Russian wedding, please mention that. KNewman 09:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In certain parts of Germany there is also such a tradition, especially when moving in into a new living place one gets such from one's new neighbors. (Reference: the German wikipedia under 'Brot und Salz'.) (unknown)

Indeed this tradition is known in germany too though its present methodism in todays german countries wasn't used before world war 2 or at least it wasn't wide spread and mostly forgotten. It did migrate with refugees from former east german countries Königsberg, Pommern and Schlesien into todays german countries, lateron migration from poland, russia, ukraine and romania added to this tradition and it is nowadays widly known and often practiced, mostly as part of public cermonies.

Why would you pair bread with salt? you can't eat them together, I don't understand this. 90.196.221.60 (talk) 22:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salt now is so easily available that it is easy to forget how important it is. Basicaly without it we die. In times past salt was not so readily available and was expensive and valued, for example Roman soldiers were paid in salt, hence the phrase "to be worth ones salt" and the entymology of the modern word salary, it was also for a time the source of government revenues in China, the government monopoly on salt being enough to sustain its armies and civil service. At other times and places e.g. British Imperial India salt taxes were both a source of income and resentment. Have no doubt, in giving someone salt you would be giving away a resource that was scarce, precious and life sustaining.KTo288 (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not in the salt article itself but History of salt will give you some idea of the importance of salt, note the line "Until the twentieth century, salt was one of the prime movers of national economies and wars."KTo288 (talk) 10:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We'd have to list too many names in the lead considering the number of peoples and respective languages that have this tradition. Wouldn't it be better if we made a separate section just to list the names? Leaving only Russian in the lead is a bit ethnocentric. Todor→Bozhinov 10:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What idiots!

I agree. Unless the tradition was started by one particular group of people, one should list as many as possible or nothing at all and set up a section for the list. It's a potential for confusion. For example, the picture on this article is Polish, but you have to go all the way down to "Poland" section to find how Poles call this. That's a mess. -- Revth 00:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice to have a bit more detail beyond the bare fact of the presentation. For example, what is the recipient supposed to do with this nice loaf of bread with integral salt-cellar? Does s/he eat it on the spot, or is it politer to embalm it and mount it in a glass case?

A bit more on the history of the tradition would also be nice; if it was observed at Pskov then clearly it's existed for over 500 years, and surely it's changed or developed in that time, but at present the article only seems to describe the modern ceremony (and one space-age innovation). — Haeleth Talk 11:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it a part of a Russian wedding ceremony too? --Frankamand 11:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the picture described so? Is the painting perhaps imaginative? Or is it being alleged that the event did not in fact take place, or what? --Tardis 21:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you click on the picture there is blurb describing that it was painted in 1872 by Stefan Batory, and depicted events that took place in the Livonian War (1558-1583). So the artist clearly didn't witness the scene and had to imagine what it may have looked like. --Jpowell 22:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if this custom has original roots in Lithuanian tradition, or rather it was imposed in soviet times, as a part of "internationalism".--Lokyz 23:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Lithuanian and Slavic cultures are amazingly close. I'd rather seek origins in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth than in the Soviet Union. `'Míkka>t 15:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This was reverted off the article (inappropriately I believe), so I am placing it here as the issue still stands. Rhis article is lacking information on the Jewish, Indian, and Islamic traditions of sharing bread and salt. I was looking for information on the Indian tradition when I came here, so I don't know enough to add information myself right now. But you cannot have this ignore the rest of the world unless you move it to Bread and salt (Slavic). The Indian tradition is called by this name as far as I am aware.--BirgitteSB 01:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You probably missed the pointer to Bread and salt (disambiguation) at the very top of the article. Your suggestion to move to Bread and salt (Slavic tradition) wil make sense only if you write a couple of other articles. In particular, the red link Bread and salt (Jewish tradition) begs to be written for a long time. There are no evil people here who "ignore the rest of the world", there is simply lack of interested people. Wikipedia works in this way: even if you "don't know enough to add" but you think that the info is useful, you start the article (by the way, google is your best friend; just don't forget that you must use reliable sources, not blogs -- a note to others who might read this; I know you know this already) and link it into several existing articles which are close in topic. In this way you attract attention of other editors who may actually help. Tagging this article is useless: experts in, say, Indian tradition, are not frequenting this article. `'Míkka>t 15:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings, stumbled upon this article editing a different page and thought that it might be worthwhile if there were a "Significance" or "Origin" section of this article explaining the reason behind the greeting. I'm curious to learn why, but I am not in any way knowledgable of the subject. Perhaps someone who is can address this. Uhtregorn (talk) 17:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There’s general summery of the ceremony in the article 97.113.243.4 (talk) 03:33, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]