Thursday, December 19, 2013
Increase in Hall of Fame standards
Dave makes the point that since historically, we have 1% to 2% of MLB players in the Hall of Fame, then we should uphold that standard. And if a voter thinks that Bonds/Clemens is in the way, then vote for someone else in their place. As it stands, we won't even get to the 1% level.
While I have normally thought that we should have about 20-25 players voted in for any 10year time period, regardless of expansion, I think I am wrong on that one. As I posted in the comments:
For those who asked: the number of US-born players is the same in 1969 as it is today, more or less. The expansion from 24 to 30 teams has been entirely consumed by foreign-born players.
This is also true in the NHL (Canada/US-born players), when it expanded from 21 teams to eventually 30. All of the expansion teams covered by foreign-born players.
And, since the number of live-births has been a constant for several decades, there is actually NO dilution in talent.
Basically, ?if we accept that expansion does not dilute talent, then we have to accept that we should select based on a percentage of the pool, rather than some constant number as I originally have thought. The 30-team era should have nearly double the number of hall of famers of the 16-team era.
Now, my research would at least suggest that the 24-team and 30-team leagues had no dilution in talent. I don't know if that's true of the 16-team league. But, I'd think it's true, at least pre-Jackie. After all, about 35%-40% of the great players in the Hall of Fame born since Willie Mays are non-whites. That would mean that expanding from 16 to 24 teams would be completely covered by what would have been segregated players, if not for Jackie.
So, yeah, I'd go with a percentage basis.
I don't know about the NHL, since they went from 6-teams to 30-teams rather quickly. Someone will have to look into that one.
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