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Friday, September 12, 2014

BsR and BsR

By Tangotiger 12:55 PM

?I didn't realize the Fangraphs has chosen to use BsR to represent baserunning, meaning runs from non-batter events (like SB, CS) which they use wSB as notation, and runs from batter events (like taking extra base), which they use UBR as notation.

The wSB notation is in reference to the "w" in the "weighted" metrics inspired by wOBA.  The "U" in UBR is inspired by MGL's UZR, who provides, I think, the UBR numbers.  It's a nice notation for the w and U metrics.

But then, they combine the two into BsR.  But longtime saberists know that BsR is the notation that Dave uses for his BaseRuns (as described by Patriot).

I don't know how Dave feels about it, but it gives me a chance to bring up BaseRuns, easily one of the least appreciated and most important metrics around.  If giving it a new notation, or finding some different notation for Fangraphs' version of BaseRunning is the result, all the better.

You guys are creative.  What have you got for me?


#1    Bradsbeard 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 13:13

BR?


#2    nickws 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 13:32

Am I correct in stating that wSB is a linear weights based metric and UBR is a RE24 based metric? Not sure how I feel about that.


#3    tz 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 13:35

BsR should stick with Dave Smyth for BaseRuns, since his use of it came first.  If there wasn’t already a good body of work that uses this exact notation, it might be fun to develop a bolder name for it.

BR would be fine for Fangraphs’ WAR component for baserunning.  Baseball Reference uses Rbaser for their version of the stat, so it’s not like Fangraph’s use has become any kind of a standard just yet.


#4    skyjo 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 14:52

Rename UBR as wBR, then wSB + wBR = UBR.

There’s a nice symmetry to having the two components both start with “w”, then the result being “U”.

There could be some confusion during the transition as to whether a person is referencing the old UBR (non-SB baserunning) or the new UBR (SB and non-SB baserunning combined). But future generations will thank us.


#5    dave smyth 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 16:25

Yeah, I noticed the BsR thing a few years ago, IIRC. I never felt strongly enough to say anything. (And, for the life of me, I have no idea anymore why I decided to call it “Base” Runs.)  Anyway, there’s too many acronyms (is that the correct term?) in stats nowadays, as more and more stats are invented. I’d actually prefer to just spell it out as ‘Base Runs’. It’s not like that’s a long name or anything.


#6    Tangotiger 2014/09/12 (Fri) @ 16:51

I think the challenge is to keep things at 5-chars max, just so you can present maximum number of columns when needed.

Fangraphs does a good job of spelling things out where needed (like the “contact%” section) and keeping things in acronyms (with BABIP or WPA/LI as the longest ones).

If keeping total baserunning as BsR is ok with you, then I’d like to hear how we can represent Base Runs.

I agree that the term seems…. pretty non-descript.  It’s like Ottawa’s new football team:

http://www.ottawaredblacks.com/

So, anything to give your stat exposure, I’m all for it.

 


#7    dkappelman 2014/09/15 (Mon) @ 14:05

I’m just seeing this now.  In the Value section where we list all the WAR components it is actually spelled out as Base Running.  And then I just used BsR for short.

Maybe I should change it to BsRn, so as to avoid confusion. 

While we do use BaseRuns for more than a few things behind the scenes, I think the only section we display it on the site is in the BaseRuns section of the projected standings where , we actually spell it out as BaseRuns and don’t abbreviate it.


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