Monday, November 03, 2003
ON THE EVE OF A GM HIRE...
This week if the Mariners know any better and do what even the media is expecting them to do, there will be a new general manager for your Seattle Mariners.
So before we analyze, rant, and rave about the new GM, let's take a little look back at a moment in time with the GM on his way out, Pat Gillick...by way of the message logs of chats between Jeremy and myself.
And though I'm reluctant to blow out the big guns, some of them are right here...
Date and time -- July 31st, 2003 at 12:55pm Pacific time. To those who don't remember, the trading deadline was at 1pm Pacific time. As with the other chat post, italics are used with the later edited add-ins.
---begin chat transcript---
David: they aren't getting anything...i can feel it
Jeremy: aboone to the yankees, this has happened
David: sick sick sick
Jeremy: and gammons just reported that the yankees will probably get reggie sanders (ANOTHER false Gammons rumor!!)
Jeremy: rondell white was pulled during the 7th inning of the padres/pirates game in pittsburgh....take that for what its worth
David: surprised we haven't heard anything about dmitri young
Jeremy: i'm so desperate i would take dmitri young and his stone glove right now
Jeremy: kjr radio is just high comedy right now....fans have called in and are just furious
David: i hauled ass to get here early (the class I was taking at the time usually got out at 1pm)
Jeremy: we can hate the yankees all we want, but at least they give a damn
David: hope harden can get tagged
David: jim bowden on the bbtn panel...just wrong
Jeremy: i hope harden gets a torn labrum (we joke in jest like this only because of the Mariners' 2002 penchant for torn labrums in the minor league system and how it seemingly never happened to other teams)
David: yeah, how about their team for once
Jeremy: i'm not kidding either
Jeremy: i hope zito's pink bunnies attack him during the middle of the night and screw his psyche up
Jeremy: robin ventura to the dodgers
David: crap, the dodgers need anything (crappy offense, lest we forget)
Jeremy: devil rays trade al levine to the royals for cash
Jeremy: i'm ready to crank up motley crue's "same ol situation"
Jeremy: if the mariners don't trade any of their pitching prospects, they better damn well be cy young award winners in the future then.
David: salkeld won a cy young...remember that (traded 5/15/1995 for Tim Belcher)
David: ?
Jeremy: haha
Jeremy: so did ryan anderson
David: jim converse (traded 8/18/1995 as the player to be named later in the Vince Coleman trade)
Jeremy: yankees have gotten LHP Gabe White
Jeremy: DAMMMMMMMMIT
David: is the brass even aware that they need a lefty reliever?
Jeremy: NOPE
Jeremy: but they are aware that they need to order more pink mariners baby girl t-shirts
David: what the hell is jim bowden doing on this show? this is crap
Jeremy: he's fired....and that's about it. he sucks.
David: the ponson trade is done
David: sf is gonna kick ass
David: i wish i were a giants fan right now
Jeremy: gillick wanted ponson last year. now SCHMIDT AND PONSON in the same damn rotation
David: and the mariners should have had at LEAST one of those guys
Jeremy: I'm dead serious. Clint Nageotte, Travis Blackley, and Rett Johnson better win 20 games each when they come up.
David: damian moss went the other way? they must have gotten the raw end of the ortiz deal
Jeremy: it's so funny to think that the giants ownership is even more frugal than seattle and YET they want to win
Jeremy: great, let's look forward to the WAIVER WIRE!!! YAY!!!!!
Jeremy: Groz reads e-mails. I may have to send him an e-mail.
Jeremy: and sandmeyer responded to my e-mail. basically said we'll find out what happens by 1
Jeremy: Pat Gillick is gone after this year, and the Mariners will be better off for it.
David: [unrelated subject]
Jeremy: [unrelated response]
Jeremy: [unrelated follow-up]
Jeremy: 1-0 a's chavez HR
David: dammit...cleveland needs to throttle the a's
Jeremy: oh boy, BBTN talking bout the mariners
Jeremy: talkin bout boone's comment in the times
David: even THEY know they needed the deadline deal
Jeremy: damn straight
Jeremy: m's have scheduled a conference call with pat gillick in 5 minutes
Jeremy: gillick is in toronto, hoping not to contract sars
Jeremy: i get it, he was there to watch the rolling stones last night
David: if this team misses the playoffs, we're gonna look back on this and say that the mariners should have tanked it to stick it to management
Jeremy: nice to know we have a general manager who cares about the mariners
David: conference call to say the concert was great...and no, he didn't make any moves
Jeremy: "that justin timberlake....wow, he would be a great pre game concert next June"
Jeremy: oh boy, please be right FAIN!!!!
Jeremy: COME ON
David: timberlake?? that'd be great...we'll make the full commitment and raise the ticket prices by $2 each to get timberlake..and throw in the bowl of cereal david is eating right now
Jeremy: and you can throw in the pieces of bacon jeremy is eating, as well as his corona he's drinking
Jeremy: bacon and corona....YEAH BABY
David: [unrelated subject]
Jeremy: Harold Reynolds: "Seattle may have a PR nightmare"
Jeremy: Jeff Brantley: "Lou is in Tampa for a reason"
Jeremy: did i mention that jeff brantley is the best analyst for espn right now?
David: him and valentine
Jeremy: valentine sucked as a manager, but he's great on espn, agreed
David: the yankees didn't spend quite as much money as we thought...gotta love that
Jeremy: dude, if i still worked for the m's and they don't make any moves today, i would walk out.
David: and the mariners could have never had the other boone
Jeremy: i really would
Jeremy: hey guys....big gulps huh? great. see you later.
Jeremy: that's my opinion of the mariners management
David: oh great
David: that's what we like to hear
David: you call a conference call and not make a move
David: you have got to [frigging] be kidding me
David: people should go out of their way at safeco today to put up antagonistic signs
David: put up so many that you can't possibly rip them down
David: this may be the best two hours in seattle radio
David: groz quizzing for the dump button
Jeremy: I'm typing my e-mail to Groz as I speak
David: GO SEAHAWKS!!!!
Jeremy: TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!!!!!!!!
David: i don't care for the reasons
David: don't get the tickets!!! YEAH!!!
David: proud to say i haven't been to any mariner game this year
David: gillick is a moron!!!
David: how does that tribune article look now!!
David: 116, so what...i love that
Jeremy: e-mail sent
David: did you save a copy
Jeremy: yep....i'll send it to ya
Jeremy: Dave,
As a former employee of the Seattle Mariners, I know how the Mariners management works. They only care about money...and even the casual bandwagon fan probably knows that by now. What an insult to the fans of the Seattle Mariners here. Does this team give a crap bout winning at all? I don't think so. But they can go get a new barber for the clubhouse so everybody can have cool fades. (Jeremy references the Sanchez acquisition there)
Jeremy: I moved here to Arkansas back in April and have done almost anything humanly possible to follow the Mariners, even staying up into the wee hours to listen to Baseball's Best Postgame Show to get all the latest news. This is a freaking joke and a slap in the face of all Seattle Mariner fans, old and new.
Jeremy: And what is Pat Gillick doing in Toronto anyway? Watching the Rolling Stones perform live? Or maybe he was trying to recruit Justin Timberlake to perform at Safeco Field next summer for a pre game concert.
Jeremy: Groz, thanks for providing me with this forum to spew my two cents.
Jeremy
Pine Bluff, Arkansas
Jeremy: But remember, there's always the WAIVER WIRE!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!! (obvious sarcasm there)
Jeremy: title of e-mail in caps: Pissed off Mariner fan in Arkansas
Jeremy: i'm not gonna listen to the mariner game at all today...all bout kjr radio
David: see what rick and ron say about it
David: dave and ron
Jeremy: i already know what they are gonna say
David: how are they gonna spin this...waivers!!
Jeremy: Rick: "Remember friends, the waiver wire deadline is August 31, so there is still time"
Jeremy: "and remember, this team never quits"
David: no, i think they do
Jeremy: yeah, i could definitely see bret boone go into a 2-for-27 funk (I'll have to research this...he did have some slips late in the season)
Jeremy: and no more batflips....it's gonna be helmet slamming
David: oh man...they should totally tank it
Jeremy: i hate to say it, but you're right....they really should
Jeremy: Clint Nageotte better win 20 games in 2004/2005.
Jeremy: man, what a [frigging] joke this all is
David: al davis with the commitment to excellence...pat gillick and howard lincoln's sign: "commitment to competitiveness"
Jeremy: BOOK THAT
Jeremy: that's a classic line
Jeremy: woah, isn't kurt ainsworth on the DL???
David: yeah, a cracked shoulder or something
David: but they got moss
David: idiot...you have to score runs to win (probably a response to a caller)
Jeremy: gillick is too [frigging stubborn, brantley hit it on the head]
David: has he seen the mariners record when scoring 3 or less? (another response to caller)
Jeremy: "he just didn't want to admit he made a mistake with jeff cirillo"
Jeremy: yeah well, i wasn't alive during the early 80s. shut up (caller obviously wanted to play the "remember, back in the day, this team used to be crap" routine)
David: open checkbook...called #1 in revenue
David: and the MARINERS HAVE IT
Jeremy: david, we have seen the final year of edgar martinez. no way does he come back in 2004 now.
David: no friggin way
Jeremy: DAMN STRAIGHT
Jeremy: does anybody really give a [crap] about how much the mariners make in profits?
Jeremy: this guy is a dumbass. nobody is saying that a new acquisition would automatically put a team into the world series. (again, referring to a caller)
Jeremy: it just gives a team a better chance to get there
Jeremy: the m's get aaron boone and don't make it to the world series. i can live with that.........
David: bet he loves that the mariners stretch right now is worse than the second half of last year
Jeremy: BUT I can't live with missing the playoffs because they didn't make a move at the deadline
Jeremy: Ravech: YOU GOTTA GO FOR IT WHEN YOU GOTTA GO FOR IT
Jeremy: AMEN, PREACH BROTHER KARL
David: the marlins have a better record than the cards? damn
Jeremy: they sure do
Jeremy: the marlins are exciting. they have hope more than seattle does. (No way in hell did we think the Marlins would WIN THE DAMN WORLD SERIES)
---end chat transcript---
Here's to some good Mariner memories for the 2004 season, an offseason to remember, and addressing weaknesses at the deadline. Let's get this ball rolling, eh?
So before we analyze, rant, and rave about the new GM, let's take a little look back at a moment in time with the GM on his way out, Pat Gillick...by way of the message logs of chats between Jeremy and myself.
And though I'm reluctant to blow out the big guns, some of them are right here...
Date and time -- July 31st, 2003 at 12:55pm Pacific time. To those who don't remember, the trading deadline was at 1pm Pacific time. As with the other chat post, italics are used with the later edited add-ins.
---begin chat transcript---
David: they aren't getting anything...i can feel it
Jeremy: aboone to the yankees, this has happened
David: sick sick sick
Jeremy: and gammons just reported that the yankees will probably get reggie sanders (ANOTHER false Gammons rumor!!)
Jeremy: rondell white was pulled during the 7th inning of the padres/pirates game in pittsburgh....take that for what its worth
David: surprised we haven't heard anything about dmitri young
Jeremy: i'm so desperate i would take dmitri young and his stone glove right now
Jeremy: kjr radio is just high comedy right now....fans have called in and are just furious
David: i hauled ass to get here early (the class I was taking at the time usually got out at 1pm)
Jeremy: we can hate the yankees all we want, but at least they give a damn
David: hope harden can get tagged
David: jim bowden on the bbtn panel...just wrong
Jeremy: i hope harden gets a torn labrum (we joke in jest like this only because of the Mariners' 2002 penchant for torn labrums in the minor league system and how it seemingly never happened to other teams)
David: yeah, how about their team for once
Jeremy: i'm not kidding either
Jeremy: i hope zito's pink bunnies attack him during the middle of the night and screw his psyche up
Jeremy: robin ventura to the dodgers
David: crap, the dodgers need anything (crappy offense, lest we forget)
Jeremy: devil rays trade al levine to the royals for cash
Jeremy: i'm ready to crank up motley crue's "same ol situation"
Jeremy: if the mariners don't trade any of their pitching prospects, they better damn well be cy young award winners in the future then.
David: salkeld won a cy young...remember that (traded 5/15/1995 for Tim Belcher)
David: ?
Jeremy: haha
Jeremy: so did ryan anderson
David: jim converse (traded 8/18/1995 as the player to be named later in the Vince Coleman trade)
Jeremy: yankees have gotten LHP Gabe White
Jeremy: DAMMMMMMMMIT
David: is the brass even aware that they need a lefty reliever?
Jeremy: NOPE
Jeremy: but they are aware that they need to order more pink mariners baby girl t-shirts
David: what the hell is jim bowden doing on this show? this is crap
Jeremy: he's fired....and that's about it. he sucks.
David: the ponson trade is done
David: sf is gonna kick ass
David: i wish i were a giants fan right now
Jeremy: gillick wanted ponson last year. now SCHMIDT AND PONSON in the same damn rotation
David: and the mariners should have had at LEAST one of those guys
Jeremy: I'm dead serious. Clint Nageotte, Travis Blackley, and Rett Johnson better win 20 games each when they come up.
David: damian moss went the other way? they must have gotten the raw end of the ortiz deal
Jeremy: it's so funny to think that the giants ownership is even more frugal than seattle and YET they want to win
Jeremy: great, let's look forward to the WAIVER WIRE!!! YAY!!!!!
Jeremy: Groz reads e-mails. I may have to send him an e-mail.
Jeremy: and sandmeyer responded to my e-mail. basically said we'll find out what happens by 1
Jeremy: Pat Gillick is gone after this year, and the Mariners will be better off for it.
David: [unrelated subject]
Jeremy: [unrelated response]
Jeremy: [unrelated follow-up]
Jeremy: 1-0 a's chavez HR
David: dammit...cleveland needs to throttle the a's
Jeremy: oh boy, BBTN talking bout the mariners
Jeremy: talkin bout boone's comment in the times
David: even THEY know they needed the deadline deal
Jeremy: damn straight
Jeremy: m's have scheduled a conference call with pat gillick in 5 minutes
Jeremy: gillick is in toronto, hoping not to contract sars
Jeremy: i get it, he was there to watch the rolling stones last night
David: if this team misses the playoffs, we're gonna look back on this and say that the mariners should have tanked it to stick it to management
Jeremy: nice to know we have a general manager who cares about the mariners
David: conference call to say the concert was great...and no, he didn't make any moves
Jeremy: "that justin timberlake....wow, he would be a great pre game concert next June"
Jeremy: oh boy, please be right FAIN!!!!
Jeremy: COME ON
David: timberlake?? that'd be great...we'll make the full commitment and raise the ticket prices by $2 each to get timberlake..and throw in the bowl of cereal david is eating right now
Jeremy: and you can throw in the pieces of bacon jeremy is eating, as well as his corona he's drinking
Jeremy: bacon and corona....YEAH BABY
David: [unrelated subject]
Jeremy: Harold Reynolds: "Seattle may have a PR nightmare"
Jeremy: Jeff Brantley: "Lou is in Tampa for a reason"
Jeremy: did i mention that jeff brantley is the best analyst for espn right now?
David: him and valentine
Jeremy: valentine sucked as a manager, but he's great on espn, agreed
David: the yankees didn't spend quite as much money as we thought...gotta love that
Jeremy: dude, if i still worked for the m's and they don't make any moves today, i would walk out.
David: and the mariners could have never had the other boone
Jeremy: i really would
Jeremy: hey guys....big gulps huh? great. see you later.
Jeremy: that's my opinion of the mariners management
David: oh great
David: that's what we like to hear
David: you call a conference call and not make a move
David: you have got to [frigging] be kidding me
David: people should go out of their way at safeco today to put up antagonistic signs
David: put up so many that you can't possibly rip them down
David: this may be the best two hours in seattle radio
David: groz quizzing for the dump button
Jeremy: I'm typing my e-mail to Groz as I speak
David: GO SEAHAWKS!!!!
Jeremy: TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!!!!!!!!
David: i don't care for the reasons
David: don't get the tickets!!! YEAH!!!
David: proud to say i haven't been to any mariner game this year
David: gillick is a moron!!!
David: how does that tribune article look now!!
David: 116, so what...i love that
Jeremy: e-mail sent
David: did you save a copy
Jeremy: yep....i'll send it to ya
Jeremy: Dave,
As a former employee of the Seattle Mariners, I know how the Mariners management works. They only care about money...and even the casual bandwagon fan probably knows that by now. What an insult to the fans of the Seattle Mariners here. Does this team give a crap bout winning at all? I don't think so. But they can go get a new barber for the clubhouse so everybody can have cool fades. (Jeremy references the Sanchez acquisition there)
Jeremy: I moved here to Arkansas back in April and have done almost anything humanly possible to follow the Mariners, even staying up into the wee hours to listen to Baseball's Best Postgame Show to get all the latest news. This is a freaking joke and a slap in the face of all Seattle Mariner fans, old and new.
Jeremy: And what is Pat Gillick doing in Toronto anyway? Watching the Rolling Stones perform live? Or maybe he was trying to recruit Justin Timberlake to perform at Safeco Field next summer for a pre game concert.
Jeremy: Groz, thanks for providing me with this forum to spew my two cents.
Jeremy
Pine Bluff, Arkansas
Jeremy: But remember, there's always the WAIVER WIRE!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!! (obvious sarcasm there)
Jeremy: title of e-mail in caps: Pissed off Mariner fan in Arkansas
Jeremy: i'm not gonna listen to the mariner game at all today...all bout kjr radio
David: see what rick and ron say about it
David: dave and ron
Jeremy: i already know what they are gonna say
David: how are they gonna spin this...waivers!!
Jeremy: Rick: "Remember friends, the waiver wire deadline is August 31, so there is still time"
Jeremy: "and remember, this team never quits"
David: no, i think they do
Jeremy: yeah, i could definitely see bret boone go into a 2-for-27 funk (I'll have to research this...he did have some slips late in the season)
Jeremy: and no more batflips....it's gonna be helmet slamming
David: oh man...they should totally tank it
Jeremy: i hate to say it, but you're right....they really should
Jeremy: Clint Nageotte better win 20 games in 2004/2005.
Jeremy: man, what a [frigging] joke this all is
David: al davis with the commitment to excellence...pat gillick and howard lincoln's sign: "commitment to competitiveness"
Jeremy: BOOK THAT
Jeremy: that's a classic line
Jeremy: woah, isn't kurt ainsworth on the DL???
David: yeah, a cracked shoulder or something
David: but they got moss
David: idiot...you have to score runs to win (probably a response to a caller)
Jeremy: gillick is too [frigging stubborn, brantley hit it on the head]
David: has he seen the mariners record when scoring 3 or less? (another response to caller)
Jeremy: "he just didn't want to admit he made a mistake with jeff cirillo"
Jeremy: yeah well, i wasn't alive during the early 80s. shut up (caller obviously wanted to play the "remember, back in the day, this team used to be crap" routine)
David: open checkbook...called #1 in revenue
David: and the MARINERS HAVE IT
Jeremy: david, we have seen the final year of edgar martinez. no way does he come back in 2004 now.
David: no friggin way
Jeremy: DAMN STRAIGHT
Jeremy: does anybody really give a [crap] about how much the mariners make in profits?
Jeremy: this guy is a dumbass. nobody is saying that a new acquisition would automatically put a team into the world series. (again, referring to a caller)
Jeremy: it just gives a team a better chance to get there
Jeremy: the m's get aaron boone and don't make it to the world series. i can live with that.........
David: bet he loves that the mariners stretch right now is worse than the second half of last year
Jeremy: BUT I can't live with missing the playoffs because they didn't make a move at the deadline
Jeremy: Ravech: YOU GOTTA GO FOR IT WHEN YOU GOTTA GO FOR IT
Jeremy: AMEN, PREACH BROTHER KARL
David: the marlins have a better record than the cards? damn
Jeremy: they sure do
Jeremy: the marlins are exciting. they have hope more than seattle does. (No way in hell did we think the Marlins would WIN THE DAMN WORLD SERIES)
---end chat transcript---
Here's to some good Mariner memories for the 2004 season, an offseason to remember, and addressing weaknesses at the deadline. Let's get this ball rolling, eh?