Property talk:P483
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Mcld in topic Live albums?
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recorded at studio or venue
studio or location where a musical composition/release was recorded
studio or location where a musical composition/release was recorded
| Description | the studio where a song/album was recorded | ||||||||||||
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| Represents | recording studio (Q746369), recording session (Q98216532) | ||||||||||||
| Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
| Template parameter | en:template:Infobox single / en:template:Infobox song / en:template:Infobox album recorded | ||||||||||||
| Domain | According to this template:
items about recordings (mostly songs and albums)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsmusical work (Q2188189), audio track (Q7302866), release group (Q108346082), musical performance (Q6942562), podcast episode (Q61855877) or podcast (Q24634210) | ||||||||||||
| Allowed values | the name of the studio, regardless if the studio has, or not, a WP article (most studios are not notable) (note: this should be moved to the property statements) | ||||||||||||
| Example | On the Floor (Q169453) → Henson Recording Studios (Q5731425) Cove Studios (Q12554879) Pet Sounds (Q212863) → United Western Recorders (Q7893650) CBS Columbia Square (Q5009236) Sunset Sound Recorders (Q3304002) Gold Star Studios (Q1534625) | ||||||||||||
| Source | The list of studios can be found on the recording's booklet, or the artist's website. This information usually appears on the infobox of WP articles about the recording (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896)) | ||||||||||||
| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P483 (Q126375261) | ||||||||||||
| See also | recording location (P8546), filming location (P915), recording date (P10135) | ||||||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
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Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Scope, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (recorded at studio or venue (P483)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). if [item A] has this property (recorded at studio or venue (P483)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Contemporary, SPARQL
Type “musical work (Q2188189), audio track (Q7302866), release group (Q108346082), musical performance (Q6942562), podcast episode (Q61855877), podcast (Q24634210)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “musical work (Q2188189), audio track (Q7302866), release group (Q108346082), musical performance (Q6942562), podcast episode (Q61855877), podcast (Q24634210)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Type Q2188189, Q7302866, Q108346082, Q6942562, Q61855877, Q24634210, SPARQL
Property “instance of (P31)” declared by target items of “recorded at studio or venue (P483)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “instance of (P31)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Target required claim P31, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Value type “recording studio (Q746369), music venue (Q8719053), church building (Q16970), stadium (Q483110), music festival (Q868557), music festival edition (Q41582469), performing arts center (Q3469910), prison (Q40357), urban park (Q22746), concert (Q182832), arena (Q641226), park (Q22698), university (Q3918), theatre building (Q24354), event venue (Q18674739), museum (Q33506), palace (Q16560), venue (Q17350442), laboratory (Q483242), school (Q3914), sound stage (Q6497985), residence (Q699405), fair (Q288514), festival (Q132241), coffeehouse (Q30022), lecture hall (Q253275), library (Q7075), amusement park (Q194195), radio program (Q1555508), house (Q3947), building (Q41176), radio station (Q14350), party (Q200538), television studio (Q511355)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value recording studio (Q746369), music venue (Q8719053), church building (Q16970), stadium (Q483110), music festival (Q868557), music festival edition (Q41582469), performing arts center (Q3469910), prison (Q40357), urban park (Q22746), concert (Q182832), arena (Q641226), park (Q22698), university (Q3918), theatre building (Q24354), event venue (Q18674739), museum (Q33506), palace (Q16560), venue (Q17350442), laboratory (Q483242), school (Q3914), sound stage (Q6497985), residence (Q699405), fair (Q288514), festival (Q132241), coffeehouse (Q30022), lecture hall (Q253275), library (Q7075), amusement park (Q194195), radio program (Q1555508), house (Q3947), building (Q41176), radio station (Q14350), party (Q200538), television studio (Q511355) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Value type Q746369, Q8719053, Q16970, Q483110, Q868557, Q41582469, Q3469910, Q40357, Q22746, Q182832, Q641226, Q22698, Q3918, Q24354, Q18674739, Q33506, Q16560, Q17350442, Q483242, Q3914, Q6497985, Q699405, Q288514, Q132241, Q30022, Q253275, Q7075, Q194195, Q1555508, Q3947, Q41176, Q14350, Q200538, Q511355, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): musical work/composition (Q105543609)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P483#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
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Live albums?
editIf the subject is a live album (Q209939), can this property also be used for the event where the album was recorded? For example: Fun Time (Q5508686): recorded at studio or venue (P483) Montreal International Jazz Festival (Q614639) (and perhaps point in time (P585) 1975) --DSGalaktos (talk) 11:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
It's been some years and I'm still not sure what to use for a recording venue of a live album (Q209939). The present property recorded at studio or venue (P483) seems to fit just fine, but what then to do about "value type recording studio (Q746369)" constraint violation? Places such as concert hall (Q1060829), theatre building (Q24354), stadium (Q483110), arena (Q641226) and even music venue (Q8719053) are obviously not studios. Shall we simply ignore the constraint? Or is there a better move?
Btw, {{Infobox album}} and similar WP templates no longer use |recorded= for a recording place, it is now used for a recording date instead, whereas |studio= and |venue= are the parameters for places, the latter being the exact one for live albums. This should be at least reflected in the above documentation, which is currently not up to date. — Mike Novikoff 16:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Seems to be a property constraint "recording studio" is a very poor constraint, since very many albums (not just live albums) are recorded in unusual places. Can the constraint be removed? --Mcld (talk) 18:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Merge with Property:P915 "filming location"?
editI have proposed in the discussion for Property:P915 to rename it from "filming location" to "recorded at", and one other user agrees. Would it be appropriate to merge this P483 into P915? They seem to me to be the same concept, just that they're created by the music community and the film community respectively.--Mcld (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)