Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware
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| From: | Holger Levsen <holger-AT-layer-acht.org> | |
| To: | debian-vote-AT-lists.debian.org | |
| Subject: | Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware | |
| Date: | Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:50:27 +0000 | |
| Message-ID: | <YwTpM794raRu8Y3Q@layer-acht.org> |
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:39:57AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > As far as I can tell, both Steve's and Gunnar's proposal would make > Debian less of a free software operating system than it is today. That > makes me sad. My preference for an outcome would be along the following > lines. > > ================== > > We continue to stand by the spirit of the Debian Social Contract §1 > which says: > > Debian will remain 100% free > > We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is > "free" in the document entitled "The Debian Free Software > Guidelines". We promise that the Debian system and all its components > will be free according to these guidelines. We will support people > who create or use both free and non-free works on Debian. We will > never make the system require the use of a non-free component. > > Therefor we will not include any non-free software in Debian, nor in the > main archive or installer/live/cloud or other official images, and will > not enable anything from non-free or contrib by default. > > We also continue to stand by the spirit of the Debian Social Contract §5 > which says: > > Works that do not meet our free software standards > > We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of works that > do not conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We have > created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for these > works. The packages in these areas are not part of the Debian system, > although they have been configured for use with Debian. We encourage > CD manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in these areas > and determine if they can distribute the packages on their CDs. Thus, > although non-free works are not a part of Debian, we support their > use and provide infrastructure for non-free packages (such as our bug > tracking system and mailing lists). > > Thereby re-inforcing the interpretation that any installer or image with > non-free software on it is not part of the Debian system, but that we > support their use and welcome others to distribute such work. as pollo said: I disagree with you, but I understand the rationale. I think having such an option on the ballot makes sense. Seconded. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Every time you see the word "smart" used to describe a device, replace it with "surveillance." Surveillance watch. Surveillance streetlights. Surveillance oven. Surveillance toilet. Surveillance car. Surveillance city. (@mollyali)
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