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#indiewebcamp 2015-06-17

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gRegorLove Open to suggestions on the text, too.
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@dshanske @JeffreyKeefer Did you install the Indieweb plugin? (twitter.com/_/status/610964427635097600)
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@dshanske @JeffreyKeefer @mhawksey @clhendricksbc @cogdog @ReclaimHosting @A_L_T I wrote a domain whitelist plugin for webmentions to autoapprove. (twitter.com/_/status/610964809979445248)
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Loqi slack/tantek: KevinMarks do you a citation/reference to the entire original email from Apple?
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shaunguice Hi Indiewebcamp. I am a first-timer who found my way here via the getting started materials. I’ve hosted my own basic site for a few years now, mostly for use as a project portfolio. In the short-term I’d like to turn it into a place for sharing short stories. I <3 the idea of owning my own data and I look forward to learning, building, and following along with this community. -shaun
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Loqi slack/tantek: Also please add to /RSS#Criticism - that is, RSS is such a bad "standard" that it causes corp legal depts to write and send really stupid emails.
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Loqi slack/tantek: Citing the aforementioned reference to the full email.
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KevinMarks_ hi Shaun
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gRegorLove Hi shaunguice, welcome.
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KevinMarks_ full citation: http://scripting.com/2015/06/12/appleEmail.png
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kylewm @tantek genuinely curious how RSS as a standard has anythign to do with corporate legal stupidity
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GWG kylewm: There was something I wanted to ask you, but I can't remember what. You don't have any idea, do you?
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kylewm GWG: about p-content vs. e-content or somesuch?
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GWG kylewm: Possibly. This morning, I got even more confused about what I thought I understood with u-like vs p-like with pfefferle.
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GWG Every time I think I get it, I feel like I'm back at square one.
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GWG Either that, or I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and I just have an inferiority complex.
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kylewm :))
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GWG But probably I'm wrong.
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kylewm well, you know generally, that neither p- nor u- is right or wrong, right? they are just parsing directives
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KevinMarks_ pfefferle was asking for p-entry instead of h-entry but I'm not sure why
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GWG kylewm: I thought u made sense because it is a property of a url, even if not attached to the link, but...
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GWG Either way, the link I posted earlier in the day, how does your parser react to that? I'm still tweaking.
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kylewm can you post again?
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/10/23/farewell-dublin/
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GWG Still testing it.
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GWG And the u-like/p-like was rejected by pfefferle, so I'd have to recode that.
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club (+84) "add URLs for pdx" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftiny.n9n.us%2F2014%2F10%2F23%2Ffarewell-dublin%2F&html=&pretty=on
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GWG kylewm: Did the changes address the issues you saw on acegiak's site? I'm still fiddling and tweaking.
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kylewm GWG: OK so one issue is that you have "u-like h-cite", but the citation itself doesn't have a u-url
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kylewm the difference b/t "u-like h-cite" and "p-like h-cite" is what is fills in the "value" of the parsed object; with the recent changes to the parsing spec that means whether it takes the "url" property or the "name" property
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kylewm (can't imagine why anyone would be confused by the :P)
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kylewm and, generally I'm not sure we have the use cases for *-like to figure out what the markup needs to be
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gRegorLove It can certainly be p-confusing
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KartikPrabhu I don't see how the markup for likes is any different from the mark up for any other type of response post
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: to be clear, this is marking up received likes below a post, as opposed to marking up a "like" post
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GWG kylewm: I think I used existing code for that. WIll check.
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gregorlove.com edited /invitation (+418) "/* Prototypes */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think to do /invitations properly, I would need a nickname cache set up so on my site it would link to the invitee' homepage, and on Twitter it would be replaced with their @username
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kylewm.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+416) "/* Open Discussions */ note StrangeLoop/Yarvin incident" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /invitation (+2) "/* Prototypes */ section nesting" (view diff)
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kylewm gRegorLove: to avoid tweeting "https://kylewm.com Are you going to attend ..." ?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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kylewm I hope i didn't derail your invitation efforts with the comment about p-invitee
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gRegorLove Oh no, haha
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: same question how is different from marking up any other response?
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KartikPrabhu because there is nothign to "cite" ?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I'm not sure it is... and I don't know if there is a correct answer "p-like h-cite" vs. "u-like h-cite"... what's more representative, the text "so and so liked this" or the URL that the like came from
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gRegorLove Just got busy with work-work
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kylewm also should it be "p-like h-cite" or "p-like h-comment"?
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GWG This is why I'm confused.
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KartikPrabhu URL. "so and so liked this" is already implicit in the *-like part. Unless you are inserting some non-trivial text/content
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KartikPrabhu "p-comment u-like h-cite"
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KartikPrabhu p-comment says it is a comment to the actual post. u-like says this is a like and probably has no non-trivial content. h-cite makes it an object inside with you can put author and url etc...
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KartikPrabhu in fact inside the h-cite one can have "e-content" which a consumer can use if they really want to
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is what kylewm wanted from me.
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KartikPrabhu in fact I'd do that markup for all responses and my hunch is it should work without trouble
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kylewm p-comment u-like???
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu now that I've said it let me parse that :P
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kylewm ack, I mistakenly said "p-like h-comment" earlier, please ignore that! no h-comment, bad h-comment
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I have been treating -comment and -like as mutually exclusive, a reponse is one or the other
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GWG kylewm: I agree with that in concept. -comment and -like don't mix.
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KartikPrabhu no. all responses are comments. Reply is different from like
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GWG I think of p-comment more for annotation. A like is a relationship more than a response.
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KartikPrabhu s/are comments/are comments in mf2
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: no. all responses are comments in mf2. Reply is different from like
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gregorlove.com edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+75) "/* Open Discussions */ oops, signed" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu GWG: sure you can think of them however you want, but there is a mf2 vocabulary already set and one should not invent new terms
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KartikPrabhu for example tags are p-category
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: where does it say all response are comments?
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kylewm for ex https://indiewebcamp.com/like#receive_and_markup_incoming_likes
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KartikPrabhu hmm I agree p-comment is redundant for like
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KartikPrabhu but u-like h-cite still works
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gregorlove.com edited /code-of-conduct-examples (+66) "/* CC BY */ Django Code of Conduct" (view diff)
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gRegorLove !tell tantek: https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-feedback##Django+code+of+conduct
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 9 karma
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kylewm gRegorLove: how did you end up with {gRegor} as your signature there? did you use ~~~~?
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gRegorLove I tried putting my template in my signature preferences. Doesn't work apparently.
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gRegorLove Probably for good reason, heh
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GWG KartikPrabhu, kylewm: Aren't we in agreement then about like?
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GWG I may be a bit slow. I'm exhausted and my body thinks it is later than it is.
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gRegorLove Oh, it does work. I just forgot template syntax apparently :)
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kylewm "u-like h-cite" and "u-repost h-cite"
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kylewm I think those are correct
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KartikPrabhu yup
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KartikPrabhu and p-comment for replies
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KartikPrabhu that is an awkward departure from the mf2 used for actually replying.
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_markup says p-comment too, though I could argue that it could be u-comment
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KartikPrabhu I'd like *-reply
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KartikPrabhu since *-like-of becomes *-like and *-repost-of becomes *-repost
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kylewm i'd guess the weird reply/comment dichotomy comes from mf1?
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gRegorLove Bridgy Facebook backfeed doesn't like me anymore. :/
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@CaptainKurtis RT @HongPong: anyone wigging out about reddit banning whatever needs to roll up their sleeves and build their own websites, #indiewebcamp s… (twitter.com/_/status/611048195934699520)
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@book_tribe • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http://www.amazon.com/dp/1326242776?tag=7654-20 (twitter.com/_/status/611083190166491136)
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Loqi [bridgy] GetEvents replied '@pierreozoux Please advise.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/GetEventsCo/status/611084477176127488)
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@Aodunaderasheed RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/611099150566952960)
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@pierreozoux @GetEventsCo You could also accept webmention for RSVP. Like here: https://tokoloho.co/2015/ihavesomethingtohide---hackathon (twitter.com/_/status/611138129072947200)
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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notizblog.org edited /like (+0) "`u-` can't be used on a div" (view diff)
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GWG pfefferle: Good morning.
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pfefferle hey
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GWG pfefferle: Re having the p-like etc... It looks so good in the parser...
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GWG http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftiny.n9n.us%2F2014%2F10%2F23%2Ffarewell-dublin%2F
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GWG The likes are clustered, the comments/replies are clustered...
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csarven What is p-value ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p-value " yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=p-value+&summary=prompted+by+csarven+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-17%2Fline%2F1434543414391
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GWG Oh, well. As I said, the more I think I get it, the less I seem to
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csarven heh.. Looking forward to that.
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pfefferle GWG nice
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GWG pfefferle: That's why I'm trying to find a solution for this.
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GWG I want to find the 'right' one though
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pfefferle GWG isn’t your proposal the right solution?
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Zegnat Good afternoon all
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LanceyWork morning, Zegnat
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GWG pfefferle: I think so. But you have to accept the PR once I tweak it
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pfefferle GWG sure I will! I like the change!!
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vanderven.se martijn edited /HTTPS (+143) "/* Possible Future */ General availability Let’s Encrypt: ~2015-09-14" (view diff)
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GWG pfefferle: Then I can work on new email notifications
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pfefferle GWG ;)
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GWG It was driving me crazy on vacation
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GWG I had to log in to figure out what the mention was
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@AralBalsack Lawyers. That’s what the web needs to use more of. #indieweb https://twitter.com/AralBalsack/status/611192878648426497/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/611192878648426497)
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@RichardFrench4 RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/611204254355877888)
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Loqi [bridgy] Brian Hendrickson replied '@gRegorLove it's on my calendar, i'm planning to be there!' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/brianjesse/status/611226090762166274)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill commented '@brianjesse Look forward to seeing you there! Don't forget to RSVP. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List (/notes/2015/06/17/4/)
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@gRegorLove @brianjesse Look forward to seeing you there! Don't forget to RSVP. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List (twitter.com/_/status/611235476532387841)
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aaronpk I just realized what Brighton is doing
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gRegorLove Paying people? jk
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aaronpk and have a theory of why they have more RSVPs
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aaronpk look at the "Register" section here https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton
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aaronpk the "sign up to attend" is a ti.to registration page to get a free ticket
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club (+39) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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aaronpk and then they say "Once you've done that, please add yourself to this page"
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aaronpk my theory is that this works better because the initial action of "buying" the ticket is more definitive and easier than signing in to the wiki
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kylewm oh! Adactio is adding those people
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kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=2015/Brighton&diff=19915&oldid=19749
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gRegorLove Eenteresting
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aaronpk also he doesn't have the Creator/Blogger/Apprentice distinction on the page anymore, which we talked about in person at IWC Germany
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kylewm we talked about it at length on here too last year
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aaronpk I think the distinction has served its purpose and is no longer useful
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Loqi [bridgy] gRegor ♥ Morrill replied '@brianjesse Look forward to seeing you there! Don't forget to RSVP. :) indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/611235476532387841)
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gRegorLove I thought we simplified that on one of the subsequent IWC pages, actually.
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gRegorLove looks around
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List
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aaronpk ohhh yeah
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aaronpk adds that back to /2015
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aaronpk it's on the Germany page too http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany/Guest_List
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gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List
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aaronpk oh it still has the creator language though
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gRegorLove Hah, jinx
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gRegorLove laggy jinx
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gRegorLove I'm going to add Amanda since she's coming this year. She can/has signed into the wiki, but it's just easier since I'm always in there.
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kylewm I can haz signed into wiki?
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KartikPrabhu gives kylewm signed into wiki
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kylewm eats the signed into wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: writing a new indieweb probject in lolcode?
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aaronpk stop pretending to be Loqi it freaks me out
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Loqi who, me?
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KartikPrabhu lol
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gRegorLove who, kylewm?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: So if you're putting the simplified categories on /2015/Guest_List should we remove the Apprentices sub-section?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Guest_List () "(-673) /* Official Guest List */ replace with new have/want categories, and soften the requirements if you don't have a site yet" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh crap
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aaronpk i just clobbered that didn't i
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Loqi lolz
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gRegorLove No, doesn't look like it.
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gRegorLove It would have warned you
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aaronpk oh i thought you removed the headers, not just the counts
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gRegorLove Oh, no
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gRegorLove What is ti.to?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ti.to" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ti.to&summary=prompted+by+gRegorLove+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-17%2Fline%2F1434566929309
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gRegorLove ti.to is an event management site that was used fot [[2015/Brighton]] http://ti.to
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Loqi ok
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GWG Afternoon
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cweiske aaronpk, is it possible to get a nicer name on my indieauth.id.cweiske.de/ button on indieauth.com? http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-06-17%20indieauth.com%20federated%20login.png
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk maybe it could publish an h-card (or h-x-app) with a name it could display?
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cweiske it could. does indieauth.com support that already?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk but that seems like it might work
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Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/federated-indieauth.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/federated-indieauth.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/distributed-indieauth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/federated-indieauth.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol#2._Endpoint_Discovery (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/federated-indieauth.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (webmention)
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gRegorLove Ooh
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gRegorLove It's on, Brighton.
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aaronpk I made tito ask for your website after getting the ticket :)
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KevinMarks_ tito says "This event is not live. Check back soon!"
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aaronpk oops weird, i was able to register :)
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aaronpk done
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aaronpk now it's live
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Jeena Hm, so I have <a rel="me" href="/about"> on my homepage and on the /about page I have all the link to the profiles like on Twitter, Github, etc. but when I try to log in into the indie wiki then it tells me that this is not enough
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: are you actually coming to portland!
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aaronpk Jeena: that is enough in theory, but no implementations of relmeauth currently support that
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Jeena I see, hm ok, thanks
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KevinMarks_ I'd like to, but I am not sure how to fund it. if I get some more paid work soon, yes.
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KevinMarks_ otherwise I'll remote attend
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aaronpk cool
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benwerd What does the group think about WebAssembly? I think it's probably necessary.
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benwerd https://brendaneich.com/2015/06/from-asm-js-to-webassembly/
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: apparently when I fixed my "like" post to be "just" a like rather than an errant "reply" and sent another webmention, your post still kept the errant "reply" version: http://werd.io/2015/t-likewise-thank-you-being-kind-to-yourself-is-a http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-16/line/1434440178623
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: for that Tumblr sprint, I suppose we need to better document all the different Tumblr post types and indieweb equivalents then right? so that export Tumblr, import to IndieWeb, and then POSSE IndieWeb -> Tumblr are work with high fidelity. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-16/line/1434470566637
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GWG I'm almost at the point where I think I should hold IWC NYC in my living room
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aaronpk alright I got the event page and guest list cleaned up, and made a tito registration page
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aaronpk should we see how this is received once I start posting it?
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aaronpk kylewm: should probably remove the link to that domain since it goes to a spam page now
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@aaronpk Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/611253931725860864)
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@karabaic RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/611254956377509888)
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@christi3k RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/611254992276590592)
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@benwerd If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/611257551875735552)
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@indiewebcamp RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/611257705320222720)
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@gRegorLove RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/611258146271539200)
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@aaronpk @mattl @benwerd Yeah we considered that, but wasn't quite going to work: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Planning#July_18-19_.28Sat-Sun.29 (twitter.com/_/status/611258267956699136)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@mattl @benwerd Yeah we considered that, but wasn't quite going to work: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Planning#July_18-19_.28Sat-Sun.29' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Planning#July_18-19_.28Sat-Sun.29 (https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/06/17/2/july_18)
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aaronpk so far I think my theory is holding up. already have two RSVPs on tito
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benwerd what was your theory?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your theory" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=your+theory&summary=prompted+by+benwerd+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-17%2Fline%2F1434570447645
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aaronpk benwerd: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-17#t1434564884393
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gRegorLove Shh Loqi
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benwerd got it
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benwerd yeah, i think that's smart
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@sr_rolando @MiuSuCo Ich bin ja für eine stärkere Verbreitung von Webmention. Die Technik sollte sich anpassen, nicht die Leser. http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/611259251605020673)
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@MiuSuCo @sr_rolando war ja auch meine Intention. Gib mir ein Plugin, mit demselben easy geht zB. :) webmention kenn ich nicht. ((Du Indie ;) )) (twitter.com/_/status/611259604715065344)
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@cstanhope RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/611260016780120064)
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mattl aaronpk: are you around for OSCON anyway?
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aaronpk that's actually the week of the esri conference, but i'm only going there for monday and tuesday, i'll be back on wednesday
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mattl cool, i think i don't get to PDX until Wednesday
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aaronpk if that isn't a regular homebrew website club week we should do a special one!
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mattl sounds good.
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@jgraham909 RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there! (twitter.com/_/status/611264157464203265)
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@jgraham909 RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/611264537887510528)
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@rapella RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland (twitter.com/_/status/611268800604962816)
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Zegnat Twitter is testing using a heart icon instead of current star for favourites. Does the IndieWeb have a symbol for “likes”?
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KevinMarks_ what is heart?
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Loqi like is a popular webaction button and in some cases post type on various silos such as Facebook and Instagram (uses a heart ♥) https://indiewebcamp.com/heart
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KevinMarks_ what is star?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/star
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KevinMarks_ hm, no dfn?
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aaronpk I attempted to add a web hook to send a notification to IRC when someone registers on tito
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aaronpk we'll see if that works
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aaronpk just need to wait for someone else to register :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Guest_List (+345) "add two registrations from tito" (view diff)
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kylewm TheGrid doesn't need to be on the list of indieweb projects does it? http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#TheGrid
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uhhyeahbret what is tito?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/tito
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uhhyeahbret does media wiki have a git blame?
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kylewm not that i'm aware of
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misuba does the RelMeAuth impl on indiewebcamp.com break on rel=“me nofollow”?
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aaronpk no
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Loqi [bridgy] Brian Hendrickson favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/610923794648031235)
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tantek hello #indiewebcamp
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Loqi tantek: gRegorLove left you a message on 6/16 at 6:23pm: https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-feedback##Django+code+of+conduct http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-16/line/1434504225098
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tantek gRegorLove: do you know if that was connected to a particular incident? Or what motivated it?
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tantek I'm more hesitant about "political" wording as often "political viewpoint" is used as an excuse to discriminate against all the other axes described in the code of conduct
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gRegorLove Meaning they use it as an excuse to violate another section?
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tantek no, another *axis* of difference
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tantek in that list
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tantek IMO "political viewpoint" is not deserving to be at the same level as things like gender, race
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tantek because yes, political viewpoints have and continue to be used to discriminate against those
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gRegorLove I don't know the context for Django. Just did some searching on CoCs to find examples
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gRegorLove Not sure what you mean by axis of difference
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tantek gRegorLove: axes listed right there in the example you quoted - that comma separated list is a list of axes of differences
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tantek not sure what's unclear about that
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@t The 5 words followed by an #indieweb URL that make a silo post: “This post originally appeared on” Original: http://tantek.com/2015/168/t2/five-words-permalink-that-make-silo-post (twitter.com/_/status/611298491902640128)
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gRegorLove I don't see "political belief" as allowing nullification of the other items in the list. If someone's political belief entails them being sexist, the CoC still clearly states it's an inclusive environment regardless of sex, so it wouldn't be tolerated.
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gRegorLove I don't have a strong feeling about adding it, but I don't think it would cause problems.
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gRegorLove "religion (or lack thereof)" is in there and there are certainly instances of religion being used to discriminate against other items in the list.
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misuba aaronpk: also the relme auth is following a link to twitter that I have removed from my domain. not sure where it’s getting that from, does it cache?
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aaronpk yes, there's a "refresh" button
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aaronpk but each server caches on its own so you may see the cached list for a while
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misuba do you mean ‘re-scan’?
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aaronpk yeah
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misuba nope, still finding twitter, and still not finding the rel=me link back to my domain that is clear and present on my twitter profile
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aaronpk what's your site?
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misuba gibberish.com. it isn’t finding the github link for some reason
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aaronpk whoa how'd you get that domain lol
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misuba it helps to get in early. :-)
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aaronpk omg 1996
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aaronpk yeah that's what I thought... your twitter profile links to www.gibberish.com which doesn't send a redirect
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aaronpk even though twitter.com displays it without the www, the t.co redirects to www
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aaronpk also there is no rel=me link to your github profile on your site
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misuba that’s… I’ve just removed the Twitter one and added a GitHub one to try and work around this
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aaronpk just change your twitter profile to remove the www from the URL
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gRegorLove ReCaptcha has gotten fancy. Checkbox "I am not a robot" sometimes followed by a popover with things like "click the pictures of soup"
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misuba a long attempt with the domain www.gibberish.com just succeeded
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aaronpk that makes sense
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aaronpk oh you have wp-super-cache on, that might be why I don't see your github link on your site
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misuba ah cool I got NoMethodError at /auth/twitter/callback from indieauth.com
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aaronpk that shouldn't happen
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10107094315342001 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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misuba huzzah
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misuba you can’t get rid of me that easy :-)
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misuba thanks for the help
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aaronpk sweet!
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jonnybarnes does anyone here use runkeeper?
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aaronpk what is runkeeper?
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Loqi RunKeeper is an exercise silo and native app for keeping track of running, biking and other physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/runkeeper
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aaronpk I do
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aaronpk that's where all my cycling data on my site comes from
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jonnybarnes and how do you get that data out of runkeeper?
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jonnybarnes also, sideloading apps on iOS9 yes please :D
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jonnybarnes Do you still use your own iOS app to record location data aaronpk?
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aaronpk yeah
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endi hey all, quick question: indieauth for twitter failed and I checked the source, found 'rel="me nofollow"'; is there something I can do on twitter to fix that so indieauth will work?
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KevinMarks that isn't the problem, endi
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aaronpk endi: i'm guessing you're having the same problem. does your twitter website field have your site with www?
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endi ah no, because it's a subdomain
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endi https://social.andrejstefanovski.com
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aaronpk hm that loks fine, what's the error you're getting?
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endi my known instance runs on an RPi at that subdomain, so andrejstefanovski.com doesn't work. error: 0 supported and verified providers were found!
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endi since indieauth isn't looking at that subdomain
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aaronpk that is true
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aaronpk indieauth.com looks at whatever you type in
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aaronpk so enter https://social.andrejstefanovski.com and it should work
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endi well, I'm on ownyourgram and hitting authorize
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endi I did enter social.andrejstefanovski.com there
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KevinMarks my known.kevinmarks.com works
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endi but when i hit authorize, it moves me to indieauth and fails
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aaronpk it looks like it will work to me
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aaronpk i see the twitter button when I try to sign in as you on ownyourgram
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KevinMarks try quill as that gives more debug info
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aaronpk obviously i can't get any farther than that
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jonnybarnes aaronpk, have you read about sideloading in iOS9? If your app is opensource anyone can cpomile it themselves and load it on thier iOS9 device :)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: that isn't really sideloading
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aaronpk that's just compiling and installing
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aaronpk which was possible before, but now you don't need the $99 license
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endi https://www.dropbox.com/s/en3nels91eywc0v/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-17%20at%207.03.35%20PM.png?dl=0 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ct4ocwzjs1u37k/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-17%20at%207.06.18%20PM.png?dl=0
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jonnybarnes okay
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endi that's on ownyourgram before hitting authorize and on indieauth once it fails
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endi and I'll head to Quill and try
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jonnybarnes the articles I’d read rereferred to is ass sideloading
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aaronpk i think that is misleading, and is likely to get clicks
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aaronpk sideloading on android is when a developer can distribute a compiled version of the app that people can load onto their devices
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jonnybarnes what would you call it then? to someone who hadn’t prevooulsy had a developers license?
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aaronpk i dunno, being able to install apps without an apple developer account
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aaronpk does it need a name?
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aaronpk "When referring to Android apps, "sideloading" typically means installing an application package in APK format onto an Android device. Such packages are usually downloaded from websites other than Google Play. Sideloading of apps is only possible if the user has allowed "Unknown Sources" in their Security Settings." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading
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kylewm endi: your twitter points to http:// instead of https://
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aaronpk his site sends a direct so that's fine
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jonnybarnes hmmm, fair enough
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kylewm aaronpk: doesn't redirect for me
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endi @kylewm ah, perhaps it does. twitter doesn't display it and I missed it. thank you
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aaronpk you're right, I thought I checked that
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aaronpk that's the problem endi, you're serving two different websites, one at http and the other at https
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aaronpk if you redirect http to https then you can enter either in the login box
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aaronpk otherwise you need to enter the one that matches the one your twitter bio links to
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endi I had a redirect in apache and something else broke so I removed it. I will get that in there again. because of hsts I never type in the https anymore so I forgot about redirecting entirely
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endi sorry for that, didn't mean to waste your time for such a silly oversight
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KevinMarks this is tricky
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KevinMarks http vs https and www. means a lot of combos
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aaronpk indeed
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aaronpk the redirect handling makes it work pretty smoothly regardless of which you enter
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kylewm www. is a bit like that h-x- prefix that won't ever quite go away :)
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KevinMarks could the thorough walkthrough in quill try them and diagnose it
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aaronpk but if you're serving the site from 3 different URLs then you have 3 different sites and there's not a lot I can do
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KevinMarks except that bare domains do route differently
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KevinMarks you could detect the variations and say "you linked to http from twitter but typed in http " ?
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aaronpk KevinMarks: that's kind of what this ticket is for https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/88
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reidab I didn't know indieauth supported rel="pgpkey" (and I'd forgotten that I'd added it to my site years ago). neat!
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endi oh nice :) another item on my list
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aaronpk yeah I use that one all the time :)
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endi I wonder why keybase.io doesn't play nice with indieauth; their whole game is authenticating via social connections
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kylewm endi: just that indieauth doesn't have a plugin for authenticating with keybase
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kylewm the rel=me's are all there, so it would definitely be possible
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endi would be nice, especially since keybase.io is in function a key server. makes sense to authenticate using a site who's holding/distributing your public key.
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