Talk:Zigeunerweisen

I think that this page should be the current Zigeunerweisen (Sarasate) with a {{dablink}} to Zigeunerweisen (film). One is a popular piece of music, while the other is an obscure japanese film. -- ßottesiηi ^(talk) 20:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, it's got a R1 DVD release, it won multiple Japanese Academy Awards and was voted best Japanese film of the 80s (by Japanese critics) and the director has a strong cult following... but I'm inclined to agree. Go to it. Doctor Sunshine 22:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

While granted I'd never heard of the film, I'll give it that it has notability enough that someone searching for the word is somewhat likely to be looking for it -- however, I believe the general policy is that disambig pages are not supposed to be used for just two items, so I full support the move. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 22:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

The best argument for this move is that Zigeunerweisen (film) is a film about Zigeunerweisen (Sarasate). That means ALL instances of the word "Zigeunerweisen" refers to Zigeunerweisen (Sarasate) anyways. There's no ambiguation there.--Endroit 22:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

It's not actually about the piece. There's a record of the music featured prominently in the film but... I'm just going to stop now. Apparently I'm the only one who's ever seen it... Doctor Sunshine 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

I made it into a disambiguation page because the musical piece and the film both seem pretty well known. On Google, I got 77,400 hits for "Zigeunerweisen Sarasate" and 10,100 for "Zigeunerweisen Suzuki". If those numbers differed by a full order of magnitude, I probably would have made the Sarasate piece the main page, but the film seems to be pretty significant. Also, when I checked "what links here" after making the dab page, there were just as many incoming links referring to the film as there were referring to the musical piece. I don't see anything at Wikipedia:Disambiguation suggesting that we shouldn't use dab pages for just two topics, nor can I see why we would have such a policy. I've seen plenty of two-item dab pages; what's wrong with them? -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, why are they needed? Think of this way. Someone searches for Zigeunerweisen, looking for the movie. As it stands now, they get a link to the disambig page, click the link, and they are there. If Zigeunerweisen was about the Sarasate piece...what changes? They STILL click one link and are there. Granted, I know Wikipedia is not paper, but on the other side, there's no reason to have an extra page when it's unneeeded either, and it makes one less step for those searching for the music. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 23:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, ok. You talked me into it. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

• This is interesting: there is almost the exact same theme in Zigeunerweisen [1] (page 12) as in Hungarian Rhapsody #13 [2] (page 9) 71.102.216.101 (talk) 05:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • Isn't this because they were both derived from folk music of the Roma people? Viriditas (talk) 04:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Plagiarism from Elémer Szentirmay in Section 3: see Peter Jost: Geklaute Melodien – Sarasates „Zigeunerweisen“ unter Plagiatsverdacht , G. Henle Verlag, 19 August 2013
--Goesseln (talk) 12:38, 9 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

My maternal ancestors were of the many who dispersed through Europe much further back then simply writing Hungarian origin. Too simplistic. 2600:8807:2C0B:B200:51A2:9291:DD28:31E3 (talk) 21:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply