Talk:Peel tower

I hope someone more knowledgeable can shed some light on this. I don't see what the difference is between a peel tower and a tower house. Maybe the entries could be merged? Or perhaps someone could provide more information detailing the differences. I have seen references to peel towers in locations other than along the Borders, so I don't think it's a matter of geography. Thanks in advance. Yasha1969 (talk) 16:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

"The word ['Peel'] came to be applied to tower houses on the English side of the border, but not in Scotland, where a ‘pele house’ is the name given to a variety of fortified farmhouse which in England would be called a ‘bastle’." – "The Tweed Valley". Archaeological Journal. 172 (sup1): 1–47. 2015. doi:10.1080/00665983.2015.1052620. ISSN 0066-5983. --Northernhenge (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hmm. I think most sources, eg Historic England, Aslet & Powers etc, use "pele" for the English ones too. Propably the article should be moved. Johnbod (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Yes, someone who had read a guide book or spoken to locals and seeing a fortified Church or farm or country mansion or whatever with a particularly stern tower would say it was a peel tower. Academics might differ - they'd be looking at its age and details of its construction and they'd be looking out for later imitations and vanity projects. They might even avoid the word "pele" altogether. I imagine someone looking up "pele" or "bastle" or even perhaps "tower house" would expect to land in tbe same article. How about "keep" though? --Northernhenge (talk) 12:26, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Not sure what you're saying here. Best keep "keep" out of it I think, except as part of a large castle. Tower house rightly takes you to a global article, or a string of national ones. Bastle house is different and has a different article. The Peel Monument (and there seems in fact to be more than one Peel Tower), further confuses things. You do realize the pronunciation of "peel" & "pele" is identical? Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Yes thanks (peel and pele). I used them interchangeably without noticing. I'll just keep very gradually working a little on this article and leave its longer term future to wiser souls. Over and out. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Sabrebd:. Do you think this article now has enough sources to remove the tag? I'll gradually be adding more over time. --Northernhenge (talk) 13:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi

I'm a newbie here, and hope I'm not breaking any rules about Improvements to this page. I have a concern about the sentence: "By an Act of the Parliament of England in 1455, each of these towers was required to have an iron basket on its summit and a smoke or fire signal, for day or night use, ready at hand." [11] which links to a note "^James, 19", which like a previous note for James, has no association to a previous book in the notes. I raise this point because the wiki article List of Acts of the Parliament of England to 1483, for the year 1455, has this entry:

1455 (33 Hen. 6)
 (Embezzlement, repeal of 31 Hen. 6 c. 6, jurors, exchequer, etc.) cc. 1–7
 Importation Act 1455

Neither of these subjects seem to concern pele (peel) towers, so where did 1455 come from?

Thanks for your attention

Trev 17:50, 8 Nov 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4F09:E800:5C1F:DC33:197A:C1CE (talk)

I've been wondering about that too. Several sources mention the Act but never with any actual reference details. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Now I see that the James refs are to Stewart, Derek James (2017). The Armstrongs. American Academic Press. ISBN 9781631818790. Retrieved 7 July 2019. I’ve updated the article, but still no source for the 1455 Act. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply