Talk:Materialist feminism

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Disambiguate terms: material and materialist feminisms? ^[1] Alaimo and Hekman in the Introduction to their edited volume on Material Feminisms Rylee001 (talk) 18:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)rylee001Reply

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The concepts underlying this theory can be more fully included in this article, as it is currently rather short. There are many journals and other sources that discuss material feminism either directly or tangentially. Also, from a stylistic standpoint, the main tenets of the theory could be given their own heading, rather than being rolled into the opening paragraph.

Mattsaathoff (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Removed the statement "The term Material feminism was first used in 1975 by Christine Delphy.^[1] " because I was unable to locate the information within the source provided.

Keg253 (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)Keg253Reply

Christine Delphy seems to be french additionally, so i think the term might have been formed in parallel. I've read [Dolores Hayden]'s GDR and others of her books, as well recently i noted Bryan Ganaway use it. I believe both sources date it much older. During imperialism in Ganaway's case. Fred (talk) 01:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

There are many problems here.

First, the title is "material feminism" and not "materialist feminism". The expression "material feminism" is used by Alaimo and Hekman in reference to the materialisty of the body by opposision with "materialist feminism" wich have a more marxist meaning of the word. But the article only talk about "materialist feminism".

Secondly, "materialist feminism" seems to have two meanings :

1) The "french" materialist feminism which is the theorisation of some of the french radical feminists in the seventies/eighties like Christine Delphy, Colette Guillaumin, Nicole Claude Mathieu, Paola Tabeta and Monique Wittig, and seems to be mostly known by english speaking people thanks to translations of Delphy's work and the "importation" by Stevi Jackson (Wittig, even if famous, is usually not associated with her true "family"). For them, marxist tools are useful to think men and women as two antagonist class in a relation of explotation and appropriation.

2) The "postmodern" materialist feminism like the one of Rosemary Hennessy, from the nineties, wich seens to have little to no connexion with the "french" and, according to Stevi Jackson, "their 'materialism' is motivated by wish to avoid some of the political consequences associated with postmodernism, particularly its potential to deny the existence of any material reality outside language and discourse"

Thirdly, in the "french" feminist materialism, only Christine Delphy and Stevi Jackson (who's mainly influenced by Delphy) are mentionned, and the diversity of this school of thought is complitely evacuated, some of the criticism of materialist feminism being mostly criticism of Delphy.--Sibime (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

I think the first step should be to move the page to the name "Materialist feminism" Sibime (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Sibime: I posted a request for comment on the WP:Feminism page and have not gotten a response. We could list it on Wikipedia:Requested_moves, but I'm not sure it's controversial. You're definitely right it has multiple meanings. I'm only familiar with Hayden and I've read other historians refer to activists in the 19th century as material feminists. I just checked the index of the book, and she does use the term material feminist, not materialist.Fred (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

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