Talk:The Monument Mythos/Archive 1

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After numerous complaints about the controversies section of the article, it has been deleted. Please do not undo these changes. The section does not pertain to the topic enough to be in the article. Ap2495 (talk) 15:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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we're gonna move him into another draft later once we're done with this article and submit it for review Dellvell (talk) 16:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I say if you want the controversies section, make it its own article and link it to the original page. People can definitely know about it, I just think the current article should only describe the series and not outside events. Ap2495 (talk) 18:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Also because your section contained BLP violations. Ap2495 (talk) 18:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Do not undo any deletions of that section. An agreement has been made to make a new draft that includes that section. Do not attempt to mark it as vandalism. Any and all attempts at re-adding will be met with an undo, and a possible referral. We have all information on it that we need. I repeat, do not undo ANY attempts at deletion for that section. Dellvell (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

For reference, I made a draft which can be found here:

Draft:Alex Casanas Dellvell (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Dellvell, for some reason, @Barkeep49 deleted your Alex page so you'll have to remake it unfortunately. Ap2495 (talk) 18:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

It was deleted because it was an entirely unsourced negative BLP. Wikipedia has policies against this. If it's recreated with the same unsourced content, it will be removed again. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 19:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But it was a draft that was like 5 minutes old. Ap2495 (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The age of the article does not matter. Per WP:BLP, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 20:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

i was trying to create a google doc about him and separate unnecessary junk in the article. this is shameful. we're trying to create an article here. leave us be or actually collaborate with us. DeIIveloper (talk) 12:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Google Docs and Reddit are not reliable sources. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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for context, alex actually admitted and apologized about it. it did happen, and these are reliable sources. DeIIveloper (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

also for some reason i forgot the password to my dellvell account so ig i gotta use this one :sob: DeIIveloper (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

nvm got the password Dellvell (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The article has been formulated enough to be made an official article. Those who want to make final touches/changes before release, do it in the next 24 hours.

Good job to all who have worked on it in a positive and sensible way, and I'd like to see if we could put it under extended protection for the foreseeable future.

For those who try to disrupt the editing process, please leave the article alone. Alex is a controversial figure, yes, but we need to leave it as unbiased as possible. Do not add the controversy section, otherwise we will mark it for vandalism and make a report. Don't be one of those people. Thanks.

As I said, 24 hours until the draft is graduated to an article. If you need more time, let me know. Dellvell (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The process is beginning. Thank you all for your time on working. DeIIveloper (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hyphenation Expert, i think this draft should be deleted like the article by the same CSD reasons as it contains the exact same information as the article that was deleted. Thanks for reading this message. 31.4.208.94 (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

We're trying, but the admins refuse to allow it. Ap2495 (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @Babysharkboss2, i see you do good jobs making articles, but this one in particular is getting way too many baclashes from Reddit, Youtube and Mister Manticore himself. I know there was a vote and the result was to keep this article but, in my point of view, maybe this article should be deleted or discarded for some months until the situation softens up a bit. Apart of both Mister Manticore (That Alex Brad Casanas guy) and Eliana, who is a good friend of his, constantly boycotting the article and managing to even falsely claim that Manticore took out his own life and even menaced to sue WikiMedia Foundation for keeping this draft active. Maybe we should reconsider the status of this draft? 47.60.154.82 (talk) 01:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I did not create this draft. You can try and make a new MfD if you wanted, bit I doubt you’ll get it deleted Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 01:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, are you connected to Dellvell or Alex Brad Casanas in any way? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I made a Reddit post about this one, they might just be from it Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 01:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(“This one” being this draft) Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I suspect they might be a sock. (see archived investigation) '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

What about WP:AGF? Isnt is bad to start with inspections? Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 13:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know... another Spanish IP wishing to delete the draft looks like a duck to me. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

would WP:SPADE also apply then? Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 13:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Probably. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

should I hat this then? (sorry for the late reply) Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 15:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

hi Ap2495 (talk) 18:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

hm? Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 18:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

??? Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 16:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)