Talk:Gary King (radio presenter)

This article was nominated for deletion on April 24, 2019. The result of the discussion was delete.

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: This is a recreation of a previously deleted page here. Notability is uncertain. I will restore the notability questioning tag as the page creator removed it without explanation.

Ldm1954 (talk) 23:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Jw93d59: the notability of this article was questioned on November 20th by @BoyTheKingCanDance. There were also issues raised in the earlier deletion discussion here with comments from @Funky Snack, Rillington, Phil Bridger, Bearcat, and Jo-Jo Eumerus: Rather than removing the notability tag, please explain here how your recent revival of the page and edits satisfy the prior issues. This page, and not your talk page, is where it is best to have the discussion. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jw93d59, you do not make a radio personality notable enough for a Wikipedia article by referencing it to content self-published by his own employers, such as his staff profiles or past program logs — a source only builds notability if it represents analytical coverage about him in a third-party media outlet fully independent of his paycheque providers.

That is, you do not make him notable for having been a host on BBC Radio 1 by referencing that claim to the Beeb; you make him notable on that basis by referencing that claim to journalist-written coverage and analysis about him and his work in sources independent of the Beeb (such as The Times or The Guardian). You do not make him notable for having appeared in a documentary film by referencing that statement to the film; you make him notable for having appeared in a documentary film by referencing the statement to journalist-written coverage and analysis about the film in sources independent of the film.

We're not just looking for simple verification that he exists, we're looking for evidence that his work has been externally validated as significant by people without a vested interest in it. Bearcat (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made changes to the article - is the article now problem-free, or is it too reliant on non-broadsheet, non-academic sources (at present, none of the sources are broadsheet newspapers or academic in nature)?

I think there are now few sources which are financially connected or have been financially connected to Gary King - I have got rid of the references to the Totally 80s/90s pages on the shows' production company's website, because it is widely known within the industry and easily obvious and evident to the public that King presents the shows and that the shows are broadcast on several non-BBC radio stations in the UK. I have not got rid of any banners. Please advise on next steps. Jw93d59 (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: Jw93d59 (talk) 08:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the silly reply to myself! - I replied prematurely and to the wrong person. I have in the past hour made 2 sets of changes to the article - is the article now problem-free, or is it too reliant on non-broadsheet, non-academic sources (at present, none of the sources are broadsheet newspapers or academic in nature)?

I think there are now few sources which are financially connected or have been financially connected to Gary King - I have got rid of the references to the Totally 80s/90s pages on the shows' production company's website, because it is widely known within the industry and easily obvious and evident to the public that King presents the shows and that the shows are broadcast on several non-BBC radio stations in the UK. I have not got rid of any banners. Please advise on next steps. Jw93d59 (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A request has been made for this article to be peer reviewed to receive a broader perspective on how it may be improved. Please make any edits you see fit to improve the quality of this article.

Jw93d59 (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe @Jw93d59 was intending to ask prior editors about whether he has established notability. Unfortunately he used the wrong format so I am adding a ping to prior users Funky Snack, Rillington, Phil Bridger, Bearcat, and Jo-Jo Eumerus. (I have no opinion of this, I just reinstated the notability questioning tag after deletion without explanation.) Ldm1954 (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried in vain to get this article kept when it was previously deleted, so, to me, there is no issue with notability as someone who has worked on national radio and provided voice-overs on national TV is notable. Plus this article does provide independent references, and if aircheckdownloads.com was allowed to be used as an independent references, the number of independent references would be further increased. Rillington (talk) 12:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is your opinion that notability has been established enough for the notability tag to be removed? Or do more editors with responsibility fo Jw93d59 (talk) 13:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno, it seems like a lot of sources are works he has appeared in, not works about him. I think folks at AfD usually want the latter, or at least back when I was more active there that was the expectation. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does AfD stand for?

AfD is the title used for article deletion discussion. Rillington (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jw93d59 (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of sources are works about Gary, not works he has appeared in. Is that enough for you to be in favour of the removal of the notability tag? Jw93d59 (talk) 05:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My view is that notability has been achieved due to Gary's work for national broadcasters. Rillington (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is your opinion that notability has been established enough for the notability tag to be removed? Or do some other editors or one other editor with responsibility for the Gary King page need to share your view for the tag to be removed? Jw93d59 (talk) 13:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Rillington (talk) 13:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that I can now remove the notability tag? Jw93d59 (talk) 14:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that I can now remove the notability tag? Jw93d59 (talk) 13:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the tag as nobody is making here a case that he is not notable. Someone may question it again, in which case it would go to an WP:AfD discussion. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And if it does go to another AfD I will again advocate for its retention. Rillington (talk) 12:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]