dungeon: Revision history

5 December 2024

• curprev 22:2222:22, 5 December 2024 Nicodene talk contribs m 6,312 bytes +26 →Etymology undo Tag: 2017 source edit

24 November 2024

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16 November 2024

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11 November 2024

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9 November 2024

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21 October 2024

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27 September 2024

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30 August 2024

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23 August 2024

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30 July 2024

• curprev 04:2904:29, 30 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs m 6,158 bytes +7 No edit summary undo Tag: 2017 source edit
• curprev 04:2904:29, 30 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,151 bytes −155 →English: Slightly streamlining things and cutting down on the citation overkill undo Tag: 2017 source edit

28 July 2024

• curprev 13:4113:41, 28 July 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 6,306 bytes +19 →Etymology undo

27 July 2024

• curprev 14:4814:48, 27 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,287 bytes +83 With emphasis on 'sense(s)'. Donjon is an outright doublet. undo Tag: 2017 source edit
• curprev 13:4713:47, 27 July 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 6,204 bytes −747 →Etymology: Though the quote from 'A disputacion bytwene þe bodi and þe soule' is helpful, it's confusing and best to keep it simple. It's obvious the Anglo-Norman senses are derived from Middle English 'donge' (rec 1200-1225) from OE 'dung' undo

20 July 2024

• curprev 03:5903:59, 20 July 2024 Soap talk contribs 6,951 bytes −2 better label since this is a much narrower category undo

19 July 2024

• curprev 22:0022:00, 19 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,953 bytes +177 See cited sources undo Tag: Undo
• curprev 21:5021:50, 19 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −177 I'm not sure how you're missing where I have addressed your points previously. I have been doing so this whole time. As for our etymology sections occasionally containing more detailed etymologies than some other dictionaries, I would note that that is hardly unusual here. undo Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 21:1321:13, 19 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,953 bytes +177 Wrong. See cited sources, including the OED (!). You've failed to address literally any point. undo Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 19:3119:31, 19 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −177 I already addressed the points that you made in your previous summary in my previous summary. And I have pointed out a number of analogues to this that have "partly from" in their etymology sections. It is unreasonable to claim that Modern English "dungeon" represents a pure borrowing from Old French when the evidence shows otherwise. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted

17 July 2024

• curprev 23:3523:35, 17 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,953 bytes +42 →English undo Tags: Reverted 2017 source edit
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• curprev 22:2022:20, 17 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,790 bytes +14 No, it’s not just spelling, it’s the literal entire word. See previous summary. Or literally any source discussing the ety of this word. undo Tags: Undo Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit
• curprev 21:1421:14, 17 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −14 There are other words that are partly inherited from Old English and partly borrowed from Old French that have /d͡ʒ/ even though the Old English words lacked /d͡ʒ/. For example, "juggler" and "angel". The word "targe" may also be an example. The main meaning of the word "dungeon" already existed in Old English "dung." So, as I said: the only trace of Old French donjon in the word is the "-(e)on" in its spelling. In analogous situations, we use "partly from" in the etymology. undo Tags: Undo Reverted

8 July 2024

• curprev 05:3105:31, 8 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,790 bytes +14 Spelling? Try literally half of the phonemes in the word: /d͡ʒ/, /ə/, /-n/. Nevermind the fact that the entire form dungeon is from Old French, and even today the main meaning centres on castles. undo Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 02:5602:56, 8 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −14 They absolutely are on equal footing. The Modern English word "dungeon," in ANY sense or manner that it is used in the language today, is utterly indebted to the Old English "dung" etymon. The only trace of Old French donjon in the word is the "-(e)on" in its spelling. Compare our etymology for the word "sense" [and for Old French sens,] where we note that even though the form of the word corresponds to Latin sensus, the word is nevertheless partly from Frankish *sinn. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted

3 July 2024

• curprev 23:3023:30, 3 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,790 bytes +14 As I have just said, the word and form dungeon are obviously from Old French. What can be ascribed to 'dung' is (likely) semantic influence and that's it. In no way whatsoever are the two on an equal footing, and the etymology should not be phrased as if they were. undo Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 23:2023:20, 3 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −14 Undo revision 80611522 by Nicodene (talk). As Leasnam said on the talk page, this is not a "pure borrowing, but a conflation of similar sounding words into one." The Modern English word "dungeon" /is/ partly from Old French, but it is also partly from Middle English "dunge." The attested interchangeability of "donge" and "dungoun" in the Middle English poem, and the nature of the modern English word, show this. undo Tags: Undo Reverted

2 July 2024

• curprev 20:3920:39, 2 July 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,790 bytes +14 →Etymology: The actual word (and form) dungeon is from Old French, clearly undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit
• curprev 20:2920:29, 2 July 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,776 bytes −2 No edit summary undo

15 June 2024

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14 June 2024

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2 June 2024

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22 April 2024

• curprev 20:3820:38, 22 April 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,760 bytes +2 →Etymology undo Tags: Manual revert Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit
• curprev 19:3219:32, 22 April 2024 Tharthan talk contribs 6,758 bytes −2 →Etymology undo Tag: Reverted

21 April 2024

• curprev 13:2713:27, 21 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 6,760 bytes +52 →Etymology undo
• curprev 00:0600:06, 21 April 2024 Urszag talk contribs 6,708 bytes −11 probably doesn't need "apparently" twice. undo

20 April 2024

• curprev 23:4123:41, 20 April 2024 Nicodene talk contribs 6,719 bytes +2 No edit summary undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit
• curprev 21:2521:25, 20 April 2024 Urszag talk contribs 6,717 bytes +506 Sure. Here's another reference I just found that mentions specific evidence of influence between 'dung' and "dungoun' in Middle English. undo
• curprev 21:1021:10, 20 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 6,211 bytes +204 →Etymology: fair enough, no need to show cognates, but the Middle English and Anglo-Norman are certainly contaminated by the Old English to a degree worth mentioning. undo
• curprev 21:0121:01, 20 April 2024 Urszag talk contribs 6,007 bytes +1 No edit summary undo
• curprev 21:0021:00, 20 April 2024 Urszag talk contribs 6,006 bytes +364 OK, actually the OED does mention "dung" as having a similar sense ("With sense 3a compare earlier (unrelated) dung") but it's not really clear what this comment is meant to imply. We still don't need the big list of cognates to that word. undo
• curprev 20:4620:46, 20 April 2024 Urszag talk contribs 5,642 bytes −523 A connection with Germanic "dung, dong" etc. doesn't seem simple apart from the similarity in sense and superficial similarity in spelling ("g" not representing the same sound). It's not mentioned by the OED, AHD or MW dictionaries. undo
• curprev 19:0719:07, 20 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 6,165 bytes +386 →Etymology undo

18 April 2024

• curprev 02:5602:56, 18 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,779 bytes +6 →Etymology undo

17 April 2024

• curprev 22:1122:11, 17 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,773 bytes +5 →Etymology: correct misspelling/typo undo
• curprev 22:1022:10, 17 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,768 bytes +29 →Etymology: I dislike the term 'keep' because it is confusing and misleading. 'keeps' did not "keep" prisoners, but were the areas of last resort for the residents of a castle in the event of a break-in undo
• curprev 22:0222:02, 17 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,739 bytes +8 →Etymology undo
• curprev 22:0222:02, 17 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,731 bytes +36 →Etymology: only the sense of "citadel, castle keep (i.e. donjon) is from the French; the others are from Old English undo
• curprev 21:5621:56, 17 April 2024 Leasnam talk contribs 5,695 bytes +5 →Etymology undo