Debian Bug report logs - #908868
RFH: docker.io -- Linux container runtime

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: RFH: docker.io -- Linux container runtime

Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:41:13 +1000

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Package: wnpp
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-go@lists.debian.org
Control: affects -1 docker.io

docker.io is a very demanding package to maintain.
Maintaining Docker is a big commitment and more maintainers are needed.

Any help is appreciated; most of the effort is likely to be with Docker's 
dependency tree.

-- 
Regards,
 Dmitry Smirnov.

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Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking
our potential.
        -- Winston Churchill

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Message #12 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>

To: onlyjob@debian.org, 908868@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:02:34 +0530

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Hola ,
I am Manas Kashyap an active Debian contributor and i have knowledge about
Debian packaging and i would like to maintain the package .
Thanking you
Manas kashyap <http://manas-kashyap.github.io>

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Message #17 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>

Cc: 908868@bugs.debian.org, Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:17:05 +1000

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On Monday, 7 January 2019 1:32:34 AM AEST Manas Kashyap wrote:
> I am Manas Kashyap an active Debian contributor and i have knowledge about
> Debian packaging and i would like to maintain the package .

Thank you. Please speak with Arnaud who is de-facto maintainer of this 
package.

Arnaud, please promote yourself to Maintainer. I'll stay around as Uploader 
for some time but probably won't be doing any significant work.
Please feel free to upgrade this bug report to RFA if you wish.

-- 
Cheers,
 Dmitry Smirnov.

---

It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only
be grasped one link at a time.
        -- Winston Churchill

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Message #22 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>

To: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

Cc: 908868@bugs.debian.org, Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:49:25 +0530

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Will do, thanks!
I think he is connected to this Mailing thread .

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:47 AM Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> wrote:

> On Monday, 7 January 2019 1:32:34 AM AEST Manas Kashyap wrote:
> > I am Manas Kashyap an active Debian contributor and i have knowledge
> about
> > Debian packaging and i would like to maintain the package .
>
> Thank you. Please speak with Arnaud who is de-facto maintainer of this
> package.
>
> Arnaud, please promote yourself to Maintainer. I'll stay around as
> Uploader
> for some time but probably won't be doing any significant work.
> Please feel free to upgrade this bug report to RFA if you wish.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>  Dmitry Smirnov.
>
> ---
>
> It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only
> be grasped one link at a time.
>         -- Winston Churchill
>

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Message #27 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

To: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>, Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

Cc: 908868@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:03:23 +0700

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  Hi Manas,

you're very welcome to join the Docker packaging effort!

At the very moment, what you can do to get started is to get familiar
with the package, git clone from salsa, and build it. Make your setup
ready, whatever your tools you use to build the package (schroot,
pbuilder, containers, none?, etc...). If you have issues with that
please get in touch.

Regarding Buster release, we're almost there, there's nothing you can do.

Once Buster is out, there will be plenty of work, mainly bumping the
package to latest upstream versions. I also want to try to unbundle
containerd from the docker package, I've seen that Shengjing Zhu
uploaded an up-to-date version to experimental. But it depends on how
much containerd reduced their dependency on docker, and how much docker
uses release versions of containerd rather than snapshot.

Cheers,

  Arnaud


On 6/9/19 12:19 PM, Manas Kashyap wrote:
> Will do, thanks! 
> I think he is connected to this Mailing thread . 
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:47 AM Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org
> <mailto:onlyjob@debian.org>> wrote:
>
>     On Monday, 7 January 2019 1:32:34 AM AEST Manas Kashyap wrote:
>     > I am Manas Kashyap an active Debian contributor and i have
>     knowledge about
>     > Debian packaging and i would like to maintain the package .
>
>     Thank you. Please speak with Arnaud who is de-facto maintainer of
>     this
>     package.
>
>     Arnaud, please promote yourself to Maintainer. I'll stay around as
>     Uploader
>     for some time but probably won't be doing any significant work.
>     Please feel free to upgrade this bug report to RFA if you wish.
>
>     -- 
>     Cheers,
>      Dmitry Smirnov.
>
>     ---
>
>     It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny
>     can only
>     be grasped one link at a time.
>             -- Winston Churchill
>

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Message #32 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>

To: Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

Cc: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>, 908868@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:35:46 +0530

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Awesome, thanks!
So , till the package is in Buster , i will clone it and try to build it
Thank you.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:33 AM Arnaud Rebillout <
arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com> wrote:

>   Hi Manas,
>
> you're very welcome to join the Docker packaging effort!
>
> At the very moment, what you can do to get started is to get familiar with
> the package, git clone from salsa, and build it. Make your setup ready,
> whatever your tools you use to build the package (schroot, pbuilder,
> containers, none?, etc...). If you have issues with that please get in
> touch.
>
> Regarding Buster release, we're almost there, there's nothing you can do.
>
> Once Buster is out, there will be plenty of work, mainly bumping the
> package to latest upstream versions. I also want to try to unbundle
> containerd from the docker package, I've seen that Shengjing Zhu uploaded
> an up-to-date version to experimental. But it depends on how much
> containerd reduced their dependency on docker, and how much docker uses
> release versions of containerd rather than snapshot.
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Arnaud
>
>
> On 6/9/19 12:19 PM, Manas Kashyap wrote:
>
> Will do, thanks!
> I think he is connected to this Mailing thread .
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:47 AM Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 7 January 2019 1:32:34 AM AEST Manas Kashyap wrote:
>> > I am Manas Kashyap an active Debian contributor and i have knowledge
>> about
>> > Debian packaging and i would like to maintain the package .
>>
>> Thank you. Please speak with Arnaud who is de-facto maintainer of this
>> package.
>>
>> Arnaud, please promote yourself to Maintainer. I'll stay around as
>> Uploader
>> for some time but probably won't be doing any significant work.
>> Please feel free to upgrade this bug report to RFA if you wish.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>  Dmitry Smirnov.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can
>> only
>> be grasped one link at a time.
>>         -- Winston Churchill
>>
>

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Message #37 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

Cc: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>, 908868@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:25:23 +1000

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On Monday, 10 June 2019 3:03:23 PM AEST Arnaud Rebillout wrote:
> I also want to try to unbundle
> containerd from the docker package,

This may be very risky to do so one have to have a good justification what 
those risks are taken for.

It has been attempted in the past with disastrous results. Containerd is used 
by Docker (exclusively?) and with very specific vendoring. With current 
upstream culture of incompetence in regards to versioning, another attempt to 
ship containerd separately is likely to fail. Unbundling containerd should be 
considered very very carefully with full understanding of why burning effort 
for the attempt.

-- 
Regards,
 Dmitry Smirnov.

---

Do your duty as you see it, and damn the consequences.
        -- George S. Patton

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Message #42 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arnaud Rebillout <arnaud.rebillout@collabora.com>

To: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

Cc: Manas Kashyap <manaskashyaptech@gmail.com>, 908868@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: RFH: docker.io // Would like to maintain Docker.io package

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:38:27 +0700

On 6/11/19 9:25 AM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> On Monday, 10 June 2019 3:03:23 PM AEST Arnaud Rebillout wrote:
>> I also want to try to unbundle
>> containerd from the docker package,
> This may be very risky to do so one have to have a good justification what 
> those risks are taken for.
>
> It has been attempted in the past with disastrous results. Containerd is used 
> by Docker (exclusively?) and with very specific vendoring. With current 
> upstream culture of incompetence in regards to versioning, another attempt to 
> ship containerd separately is likely to fail. Unbundling containerd should be 
> considered very very carefully with full understanding of why burning effort 
> for the attempt.
>
AFAIU there's two issues:

1. the fact that docker uses snaphots of containerd.

2. the fact that both docker and containerd vendor each other, leading
to unbreakable circular dependencies.

For issue 1, I would have a the docker releases accross the last year,
and see what version of containerd they use. If it happens that they
consistently use releases of containerd rather than snapshots, then
maybe we can consider that issue 1 is gone (but it's true that they're
no warranty that they won't go back to using snapshots later down the
road....)

For issue 2, I would try to have a look at what they vendor from docker,
once again over a one year time span, and try to assess it they're doing
any progress un-bundling docker parts from containerd, or not. I've seen
in Shengjing Zhu's containerd package that there is still some vendoring
of docker parts, so I don't think it's solved yet, but maybe it's on the
way.

Even if these two points are solved, it's true that there's a risk that
it comes back, even more both projects have more or less the same
upstream. I'm not really aware of who develop what, and if both projects
are really developed separately, or by the same group of people.

Message #47 received at 908868@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Prusty, Badrikesh" <badrikesh.prusty@siemens.com>

To: "908868@bugs.debian.org" <908868@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Want to help for upgrading docker.io package

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:27:45 +0000

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Hello,

I am Badrikesh Prusty and wanted to help upgrading the docker.io package.

With the Debian packaging knowledge, I tried packaging docker.io v26.0.1 and its dependency components such as containerd, runc, etc.

When we tried installing this on Debian 11 and 12, docker and its components seems to work normally.

Kindly, provide further information on how the docker packages are validated, before it is pushed to apt repository.


Thanks & Regards,
Badrikesh Prusty

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