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Blog intro! :)

Hi guys! I realised I've never formally introduced myself on here. For those of you who don't know, I'm Sting :) I'm a classicist and poet from England, and go by any pronouns.

I share opinions about mythos and the ancient world, translations from Greek, and classical retellings. Mostly I just geek out about Homer, the Myceneans and Iron Age, and write Odyssey fanfiction! Here's a link to my AO3

Atm I'm writing mostly Odysseus x Penelope in a series called again and again, even though we know love's landscape.

I think that's mostly it! I'm friendly and always like to chat so don't hesitate to drop me an ask or message about anything.

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The Iliad, book 14, line 109–132:

τοῖσι δὲ καὶ μετέειπε βοὴν ἀγαθὸς Διομήδης: ‘ἐγγὺς ἀνήρ: οὐ δηθὰ ματεύσομεν: αἴ κ᾽ ἐθέλητε 110 πείθεσθαι, καὶ μή τι κότῳ ἀγάσησθε ἕκαστος οὕνεκα δὴ γενεῆφι νεώτατός εἰμι μεθ᾽ ὑμῖν: πατρὸς δ᾽ ἐξ ἀγαθοῦ καὶ ἐγὼ γένος εὔχομαι εἶναι Τυδέος, ὃν Θήβῃσι χυτὴ κατὰ γαῖα καλύπτει. Πορθεῖ γὰρ τρεῖς παῖδες ἀμύμονες ἐξεγένοντο, 115 οἴκεον δ᾽ ἐν Πλευρῶνι καὶ αἰπεινῇ Καλυδῶνι Ἄγριος ἠδὲ Μέλας, τρίτατος δ᾽ ἦν ἱππότα Οἰνεὺς πατρὸς ἐμοῖο πατήρ: ἀρετῇ δ᾽ ἦν ἔξοχος αὐτῶν. ἀλλ᾽ ὃ μὲν αὐτόθι μεῖνε, πατὴρ δ᾽ ἐμὸς Ἄργεϊ νάσθη πλαγχθείς: ὡς γάρ που Ζεὺς ἤθελε καὶ θεοὶ ἄλλοι. 120 Ἀδρήστοιο δ᾽ ἔγημε θυγατρῶν, ναῖε δὲ δῶμα ἀφνειὸν βιότοιο, ἅλις δέ οἱ ἦσαν ἄρουραι πυροφόροι, πολλοὶ δὲ φυτῶν ἔσαν ὄρχατοι ἀμφίς, πολλὰ δέ οἱ πρόβατ᾽ ἔσκε: κέκαστο δὲ πάντας Ἀχαιοὺς ἐγχείῃ: τὰ δὲ μέλλετ᾽ ἀκουέμεν, εἰ ἐτεόν περ. 125 τὼ οὐκ ἄν με γένος γε κακὸν καὶ ἀνάλκιδα φάντες μῦθον ἀτιμήσαιτε πεφασμένον ὅν κ᾽ ἐῢ εἴπω. δεῦτ᾽ ἴομεν πόλεμον δὲ καὶ οὐτάμενοί περ ἀνάγκῃ. ἔνθα δ᾽ ἔπειτ᾽ αὐτοὶ μὲν ἐχώμεθα δηϊοτῆτος ἐκ βελέων, μή πού τις ἐφ᾽ ἕλκεϊ ἕλκος ἄρηται: 130 ἄλλους δ᾽ ὀτρύνοντες ἐνήσομεν, οἳ τὸ πάρος περ θυμῷ ἦρα φέροντες ἀφεστᾶσ᾽ οὐδὲ μάχονται. ’ And then among them spoke the master of war-cry, Diomedes: “Close by is that man—we won’t search for him for a long time—if you’re willing 110 To listen, and hold no grudge—each one of you— just because by age I am the youngest among you: For by blood I do claim to be from a noble father Tydeus, whom a mound of earth is covering, in Thebes. From Portheus, three excellent sons were born, 115 Dwelling in Pleuron and lofty Calydon— Agrius and Melas, and in the third place was Oeneus the horseman Father of my father—in virtue he was the most eminent of them all. But he stayed there, while my father being driven away Dwelled in Argos—somewhere just as Zeus and other gods willed. 120 He married one of Adrestus’s daughters, and dwelled in a house Rich in substance, and his wheat-bearing seed-fields were in plenty, Many were the rows of trees planted around, And there were many herds; and he surpassed all the Achaeans With his spear. But these you must’ve heard, if it’s all true. 125 So at least by blood you would not say I am ignoble and impotent, Nor disdain a speech I’ve given which I perhaps speak well. But come! Let’s head for the fight, though we’re wounded, but also needed. Then we shall bring ourselves from the battle, Out of reach of the arrows, in case anyone takes wound upon wound. 130 But we will send in the others, stirring them up, who were all formerly Absent from battle, though showing favor to their rage.

Notes:

  1. νεώτατός εἰμι μεθ᾽ ὑμῖν (I am the youngest among you): in case anyone’s curious about whom Diomedes claimed himself to be the youngest among, here’s the context: Nestor, Agamemnon, Diomedes, and Odysseus were pulling themselves away from the battle (and everyone else) to hold an emergency meeting. Thus, the “you” (ὑμῖν) Diomedes was referring to could only be Agamemnon, Nestor, and Odysseus.
  2. πλαγχθείς (wandered; be driven aside): the same word used for Odysseus at the start of the Odyssey. I would translate it for Tydeus “be driven away (from homeland)” and for Odysseus “wandered” considering the nature of their stories.
  3. Ἀδρήστοιο … ἔσκε: 1) so Homer did not specify Deipyle’s name, but he did use the genitive plural form of θυγάτηρ (θυγατρῶν here, “of daughters”), implying the presence of Argeia and later on Aegialeia; 2) so Tydeus was given a house (presumably from Adrastus), and got his own fields and orchards and herds before heading off for war. (Which means Diomedes was probably not raised in the same house with Thersandros and Aegialeus, but still…they were in Argos together)
  4. ἐγχείῃ: Tydeus the spearman that you are
  5. θυμῷ ἦρα φέροντες: I had to check for the use of this phrase, and ἦρα φέρειν seems to be more commonly applied with the meaning of “showing favor” as a fixed expression (see Od.3.164, 16.375, 18.56). So here together with θυμῷ “mind; heart, spirit; rage, passion” it could mean something like “holding grudges” so it could be stirred up like Diomedes said
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New fic wip

Two years after his return, Penelope watches her husband from the window. It is night, the stars fumbling dully for each other in the black sea. Odysseus walks exactly on the line of the tide; never in it, never away.

Two years of this relief that squeezes around her bruised heart like a hand. Of all their ragged changes, their similarities like fresh wounds. Carved muscles. Half-smile. New baby at her breast. His thrumming fingers and feet in the marble throne room. Penelope watches her husband from the window, and sees the intensity and restlessness she has known in him all their lives. There has always been something pulling him towards the horizon. 

Not yet, she thinks, to nobody. Panic fumbles dully for words in the black of her mouth. Whatever you are, you won’t have him yet.

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Lol fucking finally right. Im not stingbaiting you I promise I'll actually write this one. Promise it wont be as angsty as it seems :) :) :) :)

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Anonymous asked:

You mentioned in some tags that there are post-homeric speculations that Odysseus isn't quite Greek. What's that about? I've never heard of it and now I'm dying to know more!

I worded that so so wrong sorry ran out of space on that tag to be coherent!! What I meant was that we get speculations abt non Greek influences for the Odysseus myth itself. There's a great article using the etymology of Odysseus' name to argue for the following idea:

"Helbig (Hermes 11, 281) has sought the origin of the myth of Odysseus in barbarian tribes or, as he puts, the semi-barbarian Greek-west; I am also in support of this hypothesis."

Maybe not what you were looking for but still interesting I hope.

Full article that explores this linked here.

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Quick question, how does and Odysseus's bow look? Both when it isn't stringed and when it is?

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Erm I don't think there's a definite answer to this? At least from the translations, maybe it says what the actual bow name is in Greek. All I know is it's a backsprung bow. But in older art, a lot of them depict him with a Scythian bow

Others say it's a palintonos

However the main thing about the bow is it's a. very difficult to string and b. bends backwards significantly (recurve?)

But other than surface level I don't have enough knowledge about it haha

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Share a line or paragraph you’ve written that you don’t think will ever actually be posted in anything! (Or, if you don’t hoard cut sentences and passages like I do, share anything you want that has yet to see the light of day!)

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Hi sweet one! Thank you for the ask. Here's a cut excerpt from gamos:

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There is something conflicted in her wry smile. “You are the sort of man who likes to accomplish something difficult.” Odysseus watches Penelope struggle with this; the sentence comes out stiltedly, as if she’s trying to speak a different language. “What happens now? You have won me, made me your wife. Your game is over.” 

Odysseus feels the vulnerability of it. The feeling is like holding a small animal in his hands, marvelling at the weight of its impossibly small bones. In her slant way, Penelope, he realises, has been asking for his reassurance. “It’s not,” he says, relieved by the measuredness of his own voice, “Not like that. I’m not like that.”

“Yes, you are.”

“Well, yes, I am, but it’s not in the way you would think.” Odysseus is gazing at her, feeling the tautness of the air between them. He works it out aloud. “You know I am not loyal to men or ideas or kingdoms. You want to know why it would be different with you.”  

She doesn’t say anything. He sees her jaw clench, her dark eyes glint like beads in the beautiful, firm set of her face. She's trying to evade him, trying to give away nothing. He wants to hold her, wants to press his mouth to her shoulder, and say all the right things. To ease this knot of tension in the air. How many tense hunting trips or throne rooms or council halls has he worked through, how many men’s convictions and tempers has he sliced through like a blade through warm butter? He registers the dull thunk of his words failing him. He is unused to it. 

Then, Penelope smiles her half smile, tilts her head at him. “It isn’t different is it?” 

“The game isn’t over,” he says, softly. “We’re playing one right now. There’s your answer. It’s different with you because it’s never over.”

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walkawaytall

I am very stressed about a thing that I can’t discuss right now that I have literally no control over, so here’s some

fanfic writer asks

that I came up with all on my own. Ask ‘em, share ‘em, do whatever.

  1. Have you pulled inspiration from media sources other than the property your fic is related to (a plot point from a TV show that has nothing to do with the characters/setting of the fic, a line from a book, etc.)? If so, for which story? Why did you find that media source compelling?
  2. What is your favorite paragraph from (insert story title you want to know about here, or leave it blank for writer’s choice)? Is there a reason it’s your favorite?
  3. What is the most amount of research you’ve done for the smallest detail? What was the detail and how much time/effort went into researching it?
  4. Share a headcanon about (character name) in (story title)!
  5. Is there a tiny detail in one of your fics that you feel goes tragically unnoticed?
  6. What is your favorite type of feedback to receive (favorites/kudos, comments, DMs, complete and utter silence in the pursuit of remaining unperceived?)? If comments or DMs or anything else involving a reader writing, do you have a particular type of feedback that excites you more than other types?
  7. Share a line or paragraph you’ve written that you don’t think will ever actually be posted in anything! (Or, if you don’t hoard cut sentences and passages like I do, share anything you want that has yet to see the light of day!)
  8. Is there a story idea you have that you would love if it could appear fully realized but that you do not think you’ll ever write yourself?
  9. Do you prefer to read angst or fluff? Which do you prefer to write?
  10. If you could banish a single trope to live at the bottom of the ocean, never to be seen again by any human eyes (or at least your own), which trope would that be?
  11. Conversely, if you had to pick a single trope to read for the next seven-and-half years, which trope would that be?
  12. What are your thoughts on slow burn romances?
  13. Are you secretly Tara Gilesbie aka XXXbloodyrists666XXX aka author of infamous Harry Potter fanfiction serial My Immortal? (you can trust me; I won’t tell anyone, pinky promise)
  14. Has anyone ever created anything (art, a podfic, another fic, etc.) inspired by your work? Which work? How did you feel about that?
  15. Is there any genre, trope, or style that you find particularly challenging to write? Do you enjoy the challenge or prefer to avoid it?
  16. Is there a commonly held misconception about one of your stories that you’d like to correct for the masses?
  17. What does your editing process look like?
  18. Share a headcanon relating to (insert desired theme here)!
  19. What was the very first fanwork you ever created? (I’m talking like maybe you made a little book out of construction paper and staples with your favorite Disney characters drawn in it when you were five years old or you drew a comic about a movie you saw when you were a preteen. That sort of thing.)
  20. Is there anything about any one of your fics that you have been dying to discuss but haven’t had the chance to?
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Some People: Ares and Aphrodite only lust for each other and there isn't any sort of romantic love between them. She should've remained with Hephaestus.

Meanwhile Jean-Marie Vien: Here, have this painting of Aphrodite showing to Ares that her doves made a nest in his helmet.

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“Odysseus ripped off his rags. Now naked, / he leapt upon the threshold with his bow / and quiverfull of arrows, which he tipped / out in a rush before his feet, and spoke.

“‘Playtime is over. I will shoot again, / towards another mark no man has hit. / Apollo, may I manage it!’

“He aimed / his deadly arrow at Antinous. / The young man sat there, just about to lift / his golden goblet, swirling wine around, / ready to drink. He had no thought of death. / How could he? Who would think a single man, / among so many banqueters, would dare / to risk dark death, however strong he was? / Odysseus aimed at his throat, then shot. / The point pierced all the way through his soft neck. / He flopped down to the side and his cup slipped / out of his hand. A double pipe of blood / gushed from his nostrils. His foot twitched and knocked / the table down; food scattered on the ground. / The bread and roasted meat were soiled with blood. / Seeing him fall, the suitors, in an uproar, / with shouts that filled the hall, jumped up and rushed / to search around by all the thick stone walls / for shields or spears to grab—but there were none. / They angrily rebuked Odysseus.”

Homer. The Odyssey. Translated by Emily Wilson, Norton, 2018.

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chelathy

Helen and Menelaus doodles cause I can't get them out of my head, my sweet cheeses you didn't deserve this.

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