Thursday, July 18, 2013
wOBA, wOBA, wOBA
Yowza on the comments following this article discussing wOBA. Just picking out a couple while I have a minute here:
Why do you think sites like baseball reference do not show wOBA. Is it proprietary to fangraphs or is there more to it.
There's nothing proprietary about wOBA (or FIP for that matter).
Why is the coefficient for a HBP not the same as a walk. They are essentially the same thing no?
Hit batters occur more randomly. Walks occur disproportionately with first base open. So, overall, the hit batter generates more runs, just as a regular walk generates more runs than an intentional walk.
Why are productive outs penalized? If there is a runner on 3B with less than 2 outs, depending on the game situation, a SF is better than a walk or HBP.
If we were to record ALL outs, then I would treat them differently. For those people, we have RE24, which looks at each event, and records what ACTUALLY happened. A strikeout with man on 3B and less than 2 outs is a huge cost to the batter, and this is recorded by RE24. A strikeout with bases empty is treated identical to any other out. A sac fly is given its just due (moves runner from third, and batter records an out). RE24 is perhaps the greatest thing sabermetrics can offer the non-saber follower. It's the ultimate bridge stat that can be equally useful to all comers. I'd like to see articles every week on RE24.
I agree that IBB and sac bunts shouldn’t be included, though.
More often than not, I set IBB and sac bunts aside in virtually everything I do, be it OBP, wOBA or whatnot.
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Anyway, I skimmed over most of the comments, because there was too much back-and-forth banter to pick out any questions. If there are other questions, please post them below.
"If you wOBA me, I will wOBA you."? (Youtube)
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