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Subject: 8 Men Out 2023 - Season 10
Posted by: Bean
- [12552510] Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 20:21
Positions for 24 round draft:
C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
NAx1
Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves+Holds, K's, ERA, Whip
14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count if hosting site rules allow
Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters
Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players but can be changed to any earlier round in the first draft following the trade. Declaration of the new round is required at the time of keeper declaration.
In-season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.
Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.
Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson in round 5. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players). I may also keep Sandberg in Round 5 and Dawnson in any round 1-5 provided I have a slot available for him
Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a round 5 pick before keepers are declared.
Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either in round 5. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick. I may not keep Sandberg any longer as there is no draft slot to put him in. I may declare Dawson as a keeper in any round of 1-4 as long as I have a keeper slot available.
Keepers are due approximately 18 days before the first game of the regular season.
Keeper eligible rounds should be determined by checking the prior years draft results at draftime.com not at the yahoo league site.
To be keeper eligible, a player must have always been rostered, never being returned to the FA pool. To be keeper eligible, a player must have at least 50 career AB, or 20 career IP.
Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.
Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.
If you receive a keeper eligible player via trade, you may move that player's keeper round up during the keeper declarations after you received him. All other keeper rules still apply.
Example - in 2014 Khahan drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6. During the 2015 I trade him to another manager. In the 2016 keeper declaration Billy Hamilton may be declared as a keeper in any round 1-6 provided the manager has a draft slot free. For all future years that Hamilton remains a keeper that chosen round is now considered his keeper round.
Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.
The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at Draftime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.
The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).
Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if we must meet a deadline.
Shohei Ohtani
As of 2018 yahoo has announced that Shohei Ohtani will have a player slot as a pitcher and a hitter. We will be treating these players as 2 distinct players. For intents and purposes there is a player named Shohei Ohtani who is a pitcher and a second player named Shohei Ohtani with hitting eligibility.
If we change hosting sites to a site that uses a single Shohei Ohtani or Yahoo updates to a single Shohei in future years we will handle the combining as follows:
1. If No manager has either Shohei he is drafted like any other player
2. If 1 manager has 1 Shohei and the other is not on a roster, that manager can name Shohei as a keeper
3. If 1 manager has both Shohei's he can choose either players round to make the new single Shohei a keeper
4. If 2 different managers each have different halves of Shohei, they can each submit a blind bid to keep the new singularity-Shohei. The manager who submits the earliest round gets Shohei. If there is a tie the manager will the earliest draft pick keeps him. He will be kept in the round of the submitted bid. Example I have Pitcher Shohei in r8 and Bean has hitter Shoehei in round 11 and he becomes 1 player next year, we both submit a blind bid. If I submit my bid as round 3 and Bean submits round 4, I keep Shohei as a R3 keeper.
A full, active league is extremely important for everyone to have a fun time. Even if you are in a rebuilding year, please don't just disappear. Your inactivity can inadvertently alter the results of those competing for the championship. So, do your best to stay active all year. There is a "start active players" button on Yahoo that can help you with that. |
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| 39 | Wiggs
ID: 11130226
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 07:30
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75
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| 40 | loki
ID: 9135228
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 09:35
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I do not have a preference and abstained from the vote for this reason, not from indifference.
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| 41 | wiggs
ID: 94382010
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 13:55
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did we ever do the lottery for the bottom 4 teams?
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| 42 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 14:31
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100
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| 43 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 16:52
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<41> Wiggs, you are right, I am supposed to do that. Looks like I did not do that last season even though it was specified by the rules at the top of this page. The story for last year that I am sticking to, is we got things done in a hurry, due to the last minute MLB season start. The story I am sticking to for this year, is that I was waiting for Khahan to take this league over again, so I just blew it. Whether you buy my excuses or not, I will attempt to fix things and get us back on track.
So, first thing our rules say is that this was supposed to be done at the end of last season. Nothing I can do about that now, but I will try to fix that for the 2024 season. Someone remind me please.
The next thing that relates to this lottery, is that we have two expansion teams, who will get the first two picks, ahead of any lottery team.
So, that just leaves us with actually doing this lottery. If I follow how I did it prior to the 2021 Season, each of the bottom four teams have an equal chance. The lottery is not just for the first round, it is for every round.
The next post will have the results and I will update the draft matrix. Stand by.
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| 44 | Wiggs
ID: 11130226
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 17:03
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All good bean. Thanks for all you do
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| 45 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 17:06
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Those who were in the lottery should have gotten an e-mail from the draft generator site. The lottery results are:
1 Ignore
2 Crack Babies
3 wiggs
4 Ignore
5 Ignore
6 Philsphan
7 artofmonk
8 Ignore
Since the site won't do a lottery with less than eight participants, just ignore the "ignores". Therefore the lottery results are:
Crack Babies
wiggs
Philsphan
artofmonk
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| 46 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 10:56
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<33> The vote results are in:
4 votes - 50
5 votes - 75
1 votes - 100
1 votes - no max
2 votes - abstain (default no max)
Going to use the median of these votes. So the maximum number of adds is 75 for the 2023 season. I've changed the league settings.
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| 47 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 11:08
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Once again, here is the current schedule:
9-Mar Keepers Due
12-Mar New Owner Keeper "Draft"
19-Mar Target Begin Draft Time
28-Mar Target End Draft Time
30-Mar Season Starts
Deadline for keeper submission is 11:59PM PDT on 9 March. I have started a new thread for Keepers. Post yours there. You can modify your keepers all the way up to the deadline, so you may want to post a tentative list now. That way, you won't end up with zero keepers because you missed the deadline.
Here is a link to the Draft Matrix. Let me know if you see an error.
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| 48 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 15:17
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Thanks to everyone who has posted keepers so far. We now have 7 of the 11 returning managers who have posted keepers. Though we still have two weeks until deadline, we're waiting on:
C1-NRB
Crack Babies
Tree
artofmonk
Not calling anyone out (yet). Just reconciling/recording.
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| 49 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 20:11
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I found a few discrepancies amongst the declared keepers:
For Philsphan, Aaron Nola is on Draft Time as a 16th round, not a 15th round as you indicated. It's not to your advantage, but if you can explain, please do.
For Taxman, you have declared Nathaniel Lowe, and Cruz O'Neil as your keepers, but you did not draft them. Even though you have marked them down with the round they were drafted in by C1-NRB and WG, respectively, I cannot find evidence of a trade. Was there a trade that was not recorded somehow?
For gurudan, you dropped Bohm on APR 16, you added him back on AUG 22. You lost rights to him when you dropped him. Name someone else. You asked about Luis Garcia at the end of last season, but did not name him as a keeper, oversight?
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| 50 | Philsphan
ID: 581512022
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 21:55
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You’re right. Nola is a 16th round pick. I’ll update my keeper list.
Thanks for catching!
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| 51 | Crack Babies
ID: 22115166
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 09:47
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I will have my keepers posted either today or tomorrow On the keeper thread.
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| 52 | taxman
ID: 481181822
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 23:52
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re 49
faulty memory thought to be kept, player had to be drafted in prior year by anyone. In season pick ups have no draft slot only if they were not drafted by anyone.
My bad. Becoming senile in old age.
I will restate keepers in a few days.
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| 53 | Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 11:05
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Bryce Harper and Xander Bogaerts both on the block.
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| 54 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 12:16
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artofmonk declared Marcus Stroman as a keeper. He is not keeper eligible. I've e-mailed him to correct it.
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| 55 | loki
ID: 2231516
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 17:33
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The way our expansion teams are allowed to pick players and the way current teams are allowed to keep players is reminiscent of the expansion draft for the NY Mets in 1962. Unless I do not understand or my math is wrong, our 1st pick will be the 100th ranked player. The Mets were 40 and 120 in 1962, and we should expect similar results. I think that it will take years for us to be competitive.
Would the league consider remedying this?
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| 56 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 19:54
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Sent you a lengthy e-mail describing the way ahead that may give you some relief. Once we get everyone's final keeper submission the picture will be much clearer.
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| 57 | Tree
ID: 4741579
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 07:54
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Last chance to improve your keepers with Bryce Harper, Xander Bogaerts, and Luis Robert all on the block.
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| 58 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 11:28
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I've posted all declared keepers to Yahoo now. Just waiting on last minute changes and Tree's submission to finalize.
Please take a moment to go to Draft>Draft Results and check your team for errors, then let me know if you find one.
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| 59 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 11:49
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Got a Round 16 Kris Bryant I'm tossing if anyone needs an extra keeper or better value. Would take an upgrade or pick.
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| 60 | artofmonk
ID: 36253811
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 13:03
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I am looking for another keeper. If you have any extra let me know.
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| 61 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 15:12
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Also, am keeping two catchers, 7 Adley Rutschman and 11 J.T. Realmuto. Open to moving one for a similar caliber and value keeper.
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| 62 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 20:49
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FYI, I am travelling a lot 17-28 MAR. Should have internet access except while driving. Otherwise, I'll do my best to keep my queues full, and respond to draft emergencies.
Thanks to all of you for making things go smoothly so far.
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| 63 | Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 00:14
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**Trade Announcement**
Tree Trades Framber Valdez and his 13th rd pick
to
Art of Monk for his 7th round pick.
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| 64 | Artofmonk
ID: 4721598
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 09:15
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Confirmed
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| 65 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 10:59
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<65> Talked with both about this. They are both travelling today. Following his round correction on his keepers post, Tree no longer has a 13th rd pick. The trade is modified to:
Tree Trades Framber Valdez and his 14th rd pick
to
Art of Monk for his 7th round pick.
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| 66 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 12:28
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OK, I have sent an e-mail to loki and mailedfoot describing the expansion draft process. We will be doing that two man draft on an e-mail thread. I'll post the results prior to the Draft Time draft.
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| 67 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 17:34
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Here is the current schedule:
10-18 Mar Expansion Draft
19 Mar Target Begin Draft Time
28 Mar Target End Draft Time
30 Mar Season Starts
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| 68 | loki
ID: 2231516
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 18:29
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I will be out of the country from 3/16-3/27/2023. I do not know what the internet coverage will be, but will do my best to keep up.
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| 69 | loki
ID: 522101319
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 22:04
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To my fellow players and online friends:
Because of health issues, I cannot participate in fantasy baseball leagues this year. My apologies for letting you know this close to the beginning of the season, but I truly thought that I would be able to play. Unfortunately that has proved not to be the case. Perhaps football in the fall or baseball in 2024. Good luck to all of you. It has been fun!!
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| 70 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 23:15
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Thanks for letting us know before things got out of hand. Best of luck to you Loki.
For the rest, I have enough time to reset everything in Yahoo and Draft Time. We should stay on schedule, playing with just 12 this year.
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| 71 | Philsphan
ID: 492491210
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 23:37
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Sorry to hear Loki… best of luck to you.
I assume that means that all of Loki’s keepers go back in the pool for the supplemental draft for the two new managers?
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| 72 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 23:58
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Loki is one of the two new managers. So its simpler than that. Mailedfoot just picks up to 9 of the discards. No expansion draft required.
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| 73 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 12:48
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I reposted the Draft Matrix here. Check for accuracy.
I have entered all of your Keepers into Yahoo too. Please check them here. You can also check who is available to draft at Yahoo players tab.
Though I had already entered everyone but mailedfoot's stuff at Draft Time, the only way Fred could help me remove loki was to reset the draft. When I get it all entered in again, I'll open the draft, so that everyone can check it for accuracy and load a queue. There will be no clock until Monday, besides Tree picks 3rd and won't be back until Sunday. I'll let you know when the draft gets started here. Don't recall if you get notice from Draft Time.
MAILEDFOOT, DO NOT DRAFT ANYONE UNTIL SATURDAY AT THE EARLIEST.
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| 74 | taxman
ID: 382431322
Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 14:17
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Bean
thankyou for your work and re-work on this league
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| 75 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 14:30
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I started the draft and checked my picks. Of course I messed my own up. I put Clase in 10th round vs 11th where he belonged.
I am not going to reset for just one messed up pick. I will work around that.
Meanwhile, check your picks/keepers for accuracy. You can start to load your queues as well.
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| 76 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 14:32
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<74> Thanks for your support.
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| 77 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 14:22
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<75> OK, so how I corrected this is that I drafted Brandon Drury, 3B, LAA with 10.06. All I could do was remove him from the available list at Draft Time. When my 11.06 pick comes up I will restore Clase in Draft Time data base, then pick him.
I'll try to remember to make a note of this in this thread somehow at season's end.
Thanks for cooperating C1-NRB, you can resume your picking now.
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| 78 | gurudan
ID: 12252118
Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 19:05
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I logged out of Draftime and can't get back in. contacted them to no avail. I'm totally sick and tired of this bullshit. If I can't get it fixed just give my team away. This is why I quit all my Rotoguru teams except this one!! I'll try tomorrow
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| 79 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 19:44
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Dan, I sent you an e-mail. Seems like many people across my five leagues are having issues with Draft Time this year.
Please be patient and hang in there. As I said in the e-mail, with this league format, we may be hard pressed to find an alternate site to help us get through a slow draft.
For the rest, if you are having an issue with using or seeing Draft Time, drop me an e-mail and I will do what I can to get you the info to make an informed pick and hopefully help you make your pick if needed.
Meanwhile, I am trying to keep the Yahoo "Draft Results" up to date, which should allow you to use the players tab to see what players are still left. Check your draft results periodically for accuracy and let me know if you see errors.
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| 80 | Tree
ID: 4741579
Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 07:44
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it's cliche, but it sounds like it could be cookies or the cache, and i'd recommend clearing them out.
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| 81 | gurudan
ID: 12252118
Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 12:27
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tried to reset password after getting rd 13 pick from my Q, and was given the old standard 65 number, letter password. LOL
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| 82 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:52
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Draft is done, thanks for your attention.
I have posted your players at Yahoo. Let me know ASAP if you find a mistake.
I've locked managers from add/drop and trade for next couple days. If you want to use a waiver let me know and I will do it manually meanwhile.
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| 83 | Philsphan
ID: 53243238
Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 13:26
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My team looks good. Thanks for all the work you did Bean.
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| 84 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 10:30
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Locks removed from teams. Good Luck
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| 85 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, May 20, 2023, 11:49
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new e-mail address on blue link
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| 86 | mailedfoot
ID: 5082825
Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 10:06
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Congrats WG...well done!
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| 87 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 10:17
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Grats WG
Hope to see everyone again next season
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| 88 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 14:47
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Thanks Foot and Bean! Great season Foot, you gave me a big scare at one point getting within 1.5 points. Thanks Bean for your efforts in commissioning. Another fun year and looking forward to defending again!
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